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Old 11-29-2012, 01:40 PM   #136
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That elevation map is deceiving.
At any rate, I'm glad I've been doing my mid-week hill runs.

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I have a layering question. We're running the Half for Team Gleason to assist ALS patients and the only request Team Gleason had was that we wear one of their tech shirts. We bought the ladies' one for me, and it's a V-neck. I'm scared to wear a long sleeve shirt underneath it as I usually get really hot while running and by no later than mile 3 am removing my running jacket to tie it around my waist, where it's there in case I chill down again. But I'm also scared to run with my upper chest exposed by a V-neck. Is there any sort of garment or such I can wear that will cover my neck but not have my arms covered if I reach that hot point? Like a high collar sleeveless tech shirt, or some type of scarf/dickey thing? Thanks!!!
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:26 PM   #138
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I have a layering question. We're running the Half for Team Gleason to assist ALS patients and the only request Team Gleason had was that we wear one of their tech shirts. We bought the ladies' one for me, and it's a V-neck. I'm scared to wear a long sleeve shirt underneath it as I usually get really hot while running and by no later than mile 3 am removing my running jacket to tie it around my waist, where it's there in case I chill down again. But I'm also scared to run with my upper chest exposed by a V-neck. Is there any sort of garment or such I can wear that will cover my neck but not have my arms covered if I reach that hot point? Like a high collar sleeveless tech shirt, or some type of scarf/dickey thing? Thanks!!!
I don't know if a running scarf/dickie exists. But I did do a search because I was curious, and I came across this strange fact:

"Running a marathon is an amazing physical feat. But running a marathon while knitting a scarf is extraordinary. British knitter, marathon runner, and tireless charity collector, Susie Hewer, holds the Guinness World Record for the longest scarf knitted while running a marathon. She knitted the scarf (1.62m (5ft 2in)) while running the Flora London marathon on April 13 2008.

As she described on her blog, the idea came from her combined love of knitting and running marathons and a desire to raise money for the Alzheimer's Research Trust, as she had watched her dear mother taken away by dementia."

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Old 11-29-2012, 03:35 PM   #139
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hamstring tendonitis is turning out to be a real witch. just feel better already! i have been told by my PT that advil while running is not a good idea. i wonder about voltaren gel or something during the run? to help with the pain during the race?
I was told that Ibuprofen and NSAIDs can sometimes facilitate inflammation and kidney issues when taken during physical activity. It can also interfere with the body's ability to heal the micro-tears that happen during running. It is not recommended to take them before or during workouts/runs.

I Googled "ibuprofen not recommended for runners" and found a ton of articles on this very topic.
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I have a layering question. We're running the Half for Team Gleason to assist ALS patients and the only request Team Gleason had was that we wear one of their tech shirts. We bought the ladies' one for me, and it's a V-neck. I'm scared to wear a long sleeve shirt underneath it as I usually get really hot while running and by no later than mile 3 am removing my running jacket to tie it around my waist, where it's there in case I chill down again. But I'm also scared to run with my upper chest exposed by a V-neck. Is there any sort of garment or such I can wear that will cover my neck but not have my arms covered if I reach that hot point? Like a high collar sleeveless tech shirt, or some type of scarf/dickey thing? Thanks!!!
You could see about wearing a neck gaiter to see if that will do the trick for you.

I am not a female (and I don't play one on TV either), so my experience may not apply. But maybe you can find a thinner short-sleeved crew neck tech shirt and then just wear a pair of arm sleeves for the race. You can buy them or just take a pair of tube socks/tights and cut yourself a pair. Then you can wear them in the beginning and remove/discard them once you feel warm enough that you don't want your arms covered any longer.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:13 PM   #141
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Add me to the list of injured marathoners :-( 3 weeks ago I did my 14 miler and felt great during the run. After I stopped however my calf was really hurting. I foam rolled and iced it, put on my compression sleeves and went on with my day. Well, now it's been 3 weeks and I still can't run. The pain has gotten so much better- I went from not being able to lift my foot to being able to walk with no problems. The pain now is only from the pounding of running. It kind of feels like the pain is in my shin/in the bone now instead of in the muscle as originally thought. It doesn't hurt on the elliptical or when I walk, so I will try to maintain my fitness this way for now. I'm going to see a doctor this weekend and hope for the best. I'm lucky enough that it doesn't hurt to walk, so if it comes down to it I know I would be able to walk the marathon. But this is my first marathon and I was really hoping to be able to run the whole thing. Sorry for the rant and thanks for reading-- I just needed to vent my frustrations!

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Old 11-29-2012, 05:25 PM   #142
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Add me to the list of injured marathoners :-( 3 weeks ago I did my 14 miler and felt great during the run. After I stopped however my calf was really hurting. I foam rolled and iced it, put on my compression sleeves and went on with my day. Well, now it's been 3 weeks and I still can't run. The pain has gotten so much better- I went from not being able to lift my foot to being able to walk with no problems. The pain now is only from the pounding of running. It kind of feels like the pain is in my shin/in the bone now instead of in the muscle as originally thought. It doesn't hurt on the elliptical or when I walk, so I will try to maintain my fitness this way for now. I'm going to see a doctor this weekend and hope for the best. I'm lucky enough that it doesn't hurt to walk, so if it comes down to it I know I would be able to walk the marathon. But this is my first marathon and I was really hoping to be able to run the whole thing. Sorry for the rant and thanks for reading-- I just needed to vent my frustrations!

Good luck in your training everyone! Keep up the amazing work!!
Skip runs between now and your appointment. I would hate to see this go really bad before the appointment.

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Old 11-29-2012, 06:06 PM   #143
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Skip runs between now and your appointment. I would hate to see this go really bad before the appointment.

Good luck

Thanks Coach! I have not been able to run since the 14 miler, and I have been wearing compression sleeves every day :-) I took 2.5 weeks as complete rest and just started doing the elliptical 3 days ago. I'm trying to take it as easy as possible because I'd rather rest than knock myself out of the game completely! Fingers crossed
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:41 PM   #144
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As stated above, the gel used at Disney is BioFreeze. Just make sure that when applying that you do not rub your brow until after the next water stop. It will transfer to the forehead and you will get a case of burning red eye as a result.

With regard to running a mile then walking - that is a great option if you have been running continuously prior to the injury. I would attempt to pick the run back up in a minute rather than by distance. I would also add water stations to the walk just to keep the legs fresher. Note that the run a mile walk a minute can be a little much so feel free to back off the distance a bit if needed.
i wonder how biofreeze compares to the voltaren gel. the gel i got was from a doc's prescription and it's an antinflammatory. i need to look up biofreeze. sounds powerful!

walking a minute is way less walking than walking 1/10 mile. shoot but then again i didn't think about the water stops too...

i am hoping to be able to start running again soon. no idea how much i will be able to do or how far i'll be able to go before this race. but i sure have alot of heart!

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ADDED - Meant to say first that the course is really flat compared with many. The elevation changes less than 60 overall.

That section is rolling, more down to the creeks. Remember that the elevation data comes from the USGS quads maps and those have not been updated for a couple decades - so you are seeing the original lay of the land.

For a point of reference, all hills are at

Mile 1 - Overpass over the exit into Epcot Parking.
Mile 4.5 - The water bridge - a viaduct under Seven Seas Lagoon. Coming out of this is the steepest incline of the race
Mile 15 - Overpass over Buena Vista
Mile 16 - Overpass over World Drive
Mile 21.4 - Right hand turn from Osceola onto World - this turn is bankd at a 15 degree incline and then rises up and over the south entrance to Hollywood Studios.
Mile 22 - Coming up to Buena Vista Dr off of World Dr
Mile 24.4 and 24.8 - The bridges of Crescent lake. Steeper than you remember walking around the lake the day before.
Mile 25 - The bridges between Great Britain and France in Epcot
Mile 25.3 - The draw bridge at China

Also each oak has a hill. The marquee building (Castle, SpaceShip Earth, Hat and Tree of Life) are higher than the rest of the park.

here is a link to a map

http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/fullscreen/156764913/
how about the race track that we'll be running around? think that will be very banked?

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I have a layering question. We're running the Half for Team Gleason to assist ALS patients and the only request Team Gleason had was that we wear one of their tech shirts. We bought the ladies' one for me, and it's a V-neck. I'm scared to wear a long sleeve shirt underneath it as I usually get really hot while running and by no later than mile 3 am removing my running jacket to tie it around my waist, where it's there in case I chill down again. But I'm also scared to run with my upper chest exposed by a V-neck. Is there any sort of garment or such I can wear that will cover my neck but not have my arms covered if I reach that hot point? Like a high collar sleeveless tech shirt, or some type of scarf/dickey thing? Thanks!!!
i'd just do the throwaway sweatshirt thing. start out with your sweatshirt on and when you get hot just toss it to the side. i think once you warm up the chances of you chilling down again are pretty slim. by the time any of the team gleason people will be looking for you, you'll probably have the sweathshirt off already! good luck!

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Add me to the list of injured marathoners :-( 3 weeks ago I did my 14 miler and felt great during the run. After I stopped however my calf was really hurting. I foam rolled and iced it, put on my compression sleeves and went on with my day. Well, now it's been 3 weeks and I still can't run. The pain has gotten so much better- I went from not being able to lift my foot to being able to walk with no problems. The pain now is only from the pounding of running. It kind of feels like the pain is in my shin/in the bone now instead of in the muscle as originally thought. It doesn't hurt on the elliptical or when I walk, so I will try to maintain my fitness this way for now. I'm going to see a doctor this weekend and hope for the best. I'm lucky enough that it doesn't hurt to walk, so if it comes down to it I know I would be able to walk the marathon. But this is my first marathon and I was really hoping to be able to run the whole thing. Sorry for the rant and thanks for reading-- I just needed to vent my frustrations!

Good luck in your training everyone! Keep up the amazing work!!
shoot! i hear you. i'm nursing what the doc and PT think is hamstring tendonitis and i haven't been able to run for 2 weeks. and i have a sinking feeling it will be a while before i can run again. i hope that your issue is similar and just needs rest. i agree with what cewait said - rest til you see the doc. good luck!

i hope all the injured folks feel better soon! this race is coming up soon.

my knee has really improved thank goodness. it still doesn't feel great but i'm anxious to try running again. then again, i don't want to try and then get 1/4 mile and be in pain.

good luck to all!
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i wonder how biofreeze compares to the voltaren gel. the gel i got was from a doc's prescription and it's an antinflammatory. i need to look up biofreeze. sounds powerful!
Voltaren is an NSAID and I would consider discontinued use or at least discuss with the docs about its use during long endurance activities. The issue is the renal system and the affect that NSAIDs have on the constricting arteries and the possible lack of blood flow into the kidneys. These organs already suffer during a long workout and the NSAIDs can possible put them in harm. It may be worth a discussion... I do know that thousands of runners ran marathon taking NSAIDs before the studies came out. Most all race literature says no and to titrate off the drug a day before and stay off until normal renal operation is present....

P 36 has the latest advice from the Disney Race Doc http://as1.wdpromedia.com/media/rund...D12Program.pdf

Biofreeze is not an anti-inflammatory. It is an herbal pain deliver that blocks the nerve signals. It feels icy then can feel warm... Unlike petroleum based cremes (like BenGay, Icy Hot), you cannot overdose on Biofreeze. Though some care is needed to keep it out of your eyes or sensitive areas during a race. You probably will not get the same relief from Biofreeze that you are getting from the script.

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walking a minute is way less walking than walking 1/10 mile. shoot but then again i didn't think about the water stops too...

i am hoping to be able to start running again soon. no idea how much i will be able to do or how far i'll be able to go before this race. but i sure have alot of heart!



how about the race track that we'll be running around? think that will be very banked?
Banking is 7-10 degrees in the corners. I originally though that we would be kept on the warm up track (the inner loop) that is less banked, but looking at the certification drawing for this race and the original Princess layout I am thinking we are on the actual track. The good news is that we are only running through Corner 2 and then up the track and out the maintenance gate along the back stretch.
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Feet. I have used duct tape to cover the top mesh - then pulled the tape off at the start of the race. You do not want to go more than 15 minutes or so before untagging so that you feet do not become wet and blisters become a possibility.
Those little blue bags you put over your shoes in hospitals work really well to keep your feet warm before a race too.
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Those little blue bags you put over your shoes in hospitals work really well to keep your feet warm before a race too.
Good idea...

So, if I add scrubs as a throw down layer and a funny patterned dew rag and then sleep at a Holiday Inn Express I could be Doc Chas.
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So, if I add scrubs as a throw down layer and a funny patterned dew rag and then sleep at a Holiday Inn Express I could be Doc Chas.
I have seen a lot of people wearing the disposable OR gowns as their throw down layer. They're fairly imperveable so they work well if it's drizzly. I could bring you one....

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Banking is 7-10 degrees in the corners. I originally though that we would be kept on the warm up track (the inner loop) that is less banked, but looking at the certification drawing for this race and the original Princess layout I am thinking we are on the actual track. The good news is that we are only running through Corner 2 and then up the track and out the maintenance gate along the back stretch.
Let me correct this, looking at the course drawing on the Bart Yasso course preview, we will be on the warm up track. The corners are not banked on the warm up track - well cambered like a roadway at most.

I would love to have Bart's title - Chief Running Officer.

Here is his preview vid just in case

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I have seen a lot of people wearing the disposable OR gowns as their throw down layer. They're fairly imperveable so they work well if it's drizzly. I could bring you one....

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Definitely a great option. I have worn the throw down, rip away, Tyvek painter's suits a couple times. It would be great if they were green as you feel like the Hulk when you rip it off. The first year I used them the Dalmatian movies were recent history and we spent the day coloring spots on the suit.

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