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Old 12-13-2012, 10:39 AM   #3631
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And let me assure you that I am not one of the "trophies for everyone" crowd. There is a point where character has to be a factor when hiring and retaining a coach.
I'm with you there...

This issue has brought up the subject of having a mercy rule. Indiana currently has none (obviously). The coach that won the game says he wants one, the coach that lost says she doesn't believe we should have one. I tend to agree with her.

I think what it comes down to is common sense. The winning coach claims he only had 9 players and was playing everyone, rotating players every 4 minutes. I guess my translation of this is "fresh legs on the floor every 4 minutes and starters are still getting in the game." There's no reason that anybody other than his 4 reserves and 1 starter should have been on the floor for them in the second half. I don't agree with the idea of them just holding the ball, to keep from scoring, but at least slow it down and run some offense and let your reserves get some significant playing time. It might not have altered the final outcome much due to the definite difference in talent levels, but that's at least a little more classy way to handle it, IMO.
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I'm with you there...

This issue has brought up the subject of having a mercy rule. Indiana currently has none (obviously). The coach that won the game says he wants one, the coach that lost says she doesn't believe we should have one. I tend to agree with her.

I think what it comes down to is common sense. The winning coach claims he only had 9 players and was playing everyone, rotating players every 4 minutes. I guess my translation of this is "fresh legs on the floor every 4 minutes and starters are still getting in the game." There's no reason that anybody other than his 4 reserves and 1 starter should have been on the floor for them in the second half. I don't agree with the idea of them just holding the ball, to keep from scoring, but at least slow it down and run some offense and let your reserves get some significant playing time. It might not have altered the final outcome much due to the definite difference in talent levels, but that's at least a little more classy way to handle it, IMO.
I totally agree that there needs to be some common sense. I've been on the giving and receiving end of some lop sided games. There were a couple of times when I was coaching that we had run up a big lead. I would start putting players in different positions. One time we were still scoring so I put in a rule that any shot had to be off a volley, half-volley or header.
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Talked to the kid last night. She ran 20+ miles yesterday in prep for the marathon. She estimated it at around 21 miles but isn't really sure. One of her Christmas gifts is a Garmin GPS watch to accurately track how far she ran. Don't tell her, it is a surprise. Classes are over and this is finals week. SH had a late night free breakfast to keep the kids fueled up as they studied. They are also giving out cookies, cake, cider and hot chocolate during the day. Nothing like that at Florida when I went there. We spent the week having bottle rocket wars and water ballon fights. Kids these days.
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Talked to the kid last night. She ran 20+ miles yesterday in prep for the marathon. She estimated it at around 21 miles but isn't really sure. One of her Christmas gifts is a Garmin GPS watch to accurately track how far she ran. Don't tell her, it is a surprise. Classes are over and this is finals week. SH had a late night free breakfast to keep the kids fueled up as they studied. They are also giving out cookies, cake, cider and hot chocolate during the day. Nothing like that at Florida when I went there. We spent the week having bottle rocket wars and water ballon fights. Kids these days.
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Talked to the kid last night. She ran 20+ miles yesterday in prep for the marathon. She estimated it at around 21 miles but isn't really sure. One of her Christmas gifts is a Garmin GPS watch to accurately track how far she ran. Don't tell her, it is a surprise. Classes are over and this is finals week. SH had a late night free breakfast to keep the kids fueled up as they studied. They are also giving out cookies, cake, cider and hot chocolate during the day. Nothing like that at Florida when I went there. We spent the week having bottle rocket wars and water ballon fights. Kids these days.

Nothing like that when I was at university either. In fact at the end of the first term of my freshman year, I spent the night before my biology exam watching The Who's farewell concert on tv (the first one the ever had). It was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Could pass that up, I mean it was the last time we would ever see The Who perform live.
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Nothing like that when I was at university either. In fact at the end of the first term of my freshman year, I spent the night before my biology exam watching The Who's farewell concert on tv (the first one the ever had). It was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Could pass that up, I mean it was the last time we would ever see The Who perform live.
Did you catch the 12-12-12 event as well?

I remember during sophomore year my roommate and I were studying, and finally decided we just needed a break. We went to the movie theater and saw "Out Cold" and so began our finals week tradition of just saying screw it to go watch a funny movie that involved no thinking whatsoever.
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Talked to the kid last night. She ran 20+ miles yesterday in prep for the marathon. She estimated it at around 21 miles but isn't really sure. One of her Christmas gifts is a Garmin GPS watch to accurately track how far she ran. Don't tell her, it is a surprise. Classes are over and this is finals week. SH had a late night free breakfast to keep the kids fueled up as they studied. They are also giving out cookies, cake, cider and hot chocolate during the day. Nothing like that at Florida when I went there. We spent the week having bottle rocket wars and water ballon fights. Kids these days.
Hope the Cheetah isn't reading this thread.

Wow late night breakfast? I don't even want to post what was happening at this time of year where I went to school.




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I remember during sophomore year my roommate and I were studying, and finally decided we just needed a break. We went to the movie theater and saw "Out Cold" and so began our finals week tradition of just saying screw it to go watch a funny movie that involved no thinking whatsoever.

Why were they playing in that concert? They better not have, I stayed up half the night to watch that concert 30 years ago. I mean they said that was going to be it. I should have known they would play together again; well atleast it took 30 years.
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Wow late night breakfast? I don't even want to post what was happening at this time of year where I went to school.





I hope not.
I remember those days. Not a lot of studying got done after 10 pm. I think out cafeteria was open late for those cramming but they never made anything edible.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:36 AM   #3641
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Oh, come on, it's ok to share. We've all been there. Every Thursday night through Friday morning, even during Finals, I could always be found at the Neon Cactus. $5 cover, buy a $3 cup and keep refilling it with 25 cent Old Style or $1 mixed drinks.

And you could even bring an old cup back, so it was really just $5 cover and 25 cent beer. Coincidentally, I haven't touched Old Style since I graduated.

Had another place that was $5 cover and $2 pitchers of any domestic draft on Wednesday nights with free wings from 7 - 8 pm too. We went there all the time until they closed up shop at the end of my Junior year. I realize we ate a lot of wings and drank a lot of beer, but I didn't realize it was that much.
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Nothing like that when I was at university either. In fact at the end of the first term of my freshman year, I spent the night before my biology exam watching The Who's farewell concert on tv (the first one the ever had). It was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Could pass that up, I mean it was the last time we would ever see The Who perform live.
Was it there Farewell concert from the CNE in Toronto?
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I remember those days. Not a lot of studying got done after 10 pm. I think out cafeteria was open late for those cramming but they never made anything edible.





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Oh, come on, it's ok to share. We've all been there. Every Thursday night through Friday morning, even during Finals, I could always be found at the Neon Cactus. $5 cover, buy a $3 cup and keep refilling it with 25 cent Old Style or $1 mixed drinks.

And you could even bring an old cup back, so it was really just $5 cover and 25 cent beer. Coincidentally, I haven't touched Old Style since I graduated.

Had another place that was $5 cover and $2 pitchers of any domestic draft on Wednesday nights with free wings from 7 - 8 pm too. We went there all the time until they closed up shop at the end of my Junior year. I realize we ate a lot of wings and drank a lot of beer, but I didn't realize it was that much.
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Man, all today I've been innundated by requests and inquiries about the Westvleteren 12 beer, still haven't gotten any in the store yet, but I'm expecting a "Cabbage-Patch Kid circa 1983" type of riot. Talking to a friend tonight that heard they went through 100 units in 4 minutes at the Queens Quay store downtown Toronto. Insane. All for $76 too. Ought to be fun when it shows (I am thinking tomorrow or Friday night) if I get it. Got an email for ground rules. 1 per customer, no holding, strickly first come, first serve. They admit the dropped the ball with this, with late information, and not expecting the demand there is for it.
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The Westvleteren Brewery (Brouwerij Westvleteren) is a Belgian brewery founded in 1838 inside the Trappist Abbey of Saint Sixtus of Westvleteren in the Belgian municipality of Vleteren, not far from the hops-producing town of Poperinge and the medieval city of Ypres. The brewery and its beers are usually referred to as Westvleteren. The brewery's three beers have acquired an international reputation for taste and quality, as well as the limited availability of the beers which are not brewed to normal commercial demands.

Trappist monks from the Catsberg monastery, located in France, founded the St Sixtus monastery in 1831. In 1838, the brewing at Westvleteren commenced.[1] In 1850, some of the monks founded the Notre-Dame de Scourmont monastery, which also brews a Trappist beer. During World Wars I and II, the Westvleteren brewery continued to operate, albeit at a lower capacity. The brewery was the only Trappist one to retain the copper vessels throughout the wars—the other breweries had the copper salvaged by the Germans for their war efforts. In WWI this was primarily due to the abbey not being occupied by the Germans, but instead was caring for wounded allied troops.[1] In 1931, the abbey began selling beer to the general public, having only served beer to guests and visitors up until that time.[1] In 1946, the St. Bernardus brewery in nearby Watou was granted a licence to brew beer under the St Sixtus name. This agreement ended in 1992; St. Bernardus still brews beers of similar styles, but under their own name.[2] That same year, the abbey opened its new brewery to replace the older equipment.[2]

The brewery currently employs three secular workers for various manual labour tasks, however the primary brewing is done by the monks only. It is the only Trappist brewery where the monks still do all of the brewing. Of the 26 Cistercians who reside at the abbey, five monks run the brewery, with an additional five who assist during bottling

As with all other Trappist breweries, the beer is only sold in order to financially support the monastery and other philanthropic causes. Whilst the brewery is a business by definition (its purpose is to make money), it does not exist for pure profit motives, and they do no advertising except for a small sign outside the abbey which indicates the daily availability of each beer. The monks have repeatedly stated that they only brew enough beer to run the monastery, and will make no more than they need to sell, regardless of demand. During World War II, the brewery stopped supplying wholesalers and since then they only sell to individual buyers in person at the brewery or the visitor's centre opposite. These methods all go against modern business methods, however as stated by the Father Abbott on the opening of the new brewery, "We are not brewers. We are monks. We brew beer to be able to afford being monks."

The brewery currently brews three beers:
Westvleteren Blonde (green cap), 5.8% ABV, introduced on 10 June 1999.
Westvleteren 8 (blue cap) (formerly Extra), 8% ABV.
Westvleteren 12 (yellow cap) (formerly Abt), a 10.2% ABV, introduced in 1940.

Until 1999, the brewery also produced a 6.2% ABV dark beer and a lighter 4° which served as the monks' table beer, but these were replaced by the Blonde. The 8 and 12 are bottle conditioned and are considered to have a long shelf life, with some drinkers preferring the taste when the beers have been stored for several years. The ingredients are yeast, hops, malt, sugar, caramel and water.

The bottles have been sold without labels since 1945. All of the legally required information is printed on the crown tops. Because of this lack of space, Westvleteren beers are the only Trappist beers that do not have the official Trappist logo displayed on the bottle. The logo is only printed on the distinctive wooden crates. Any bottles that are labelled have had them added unofficially by others. For example, some importers into the United States label the bottles in order to comply with local regulations.

Currently, the beer is priced at €30.00 (Blonde), €34.00 (8°) and €39.00 (12°) per 24-bottle crate (excluding bottle/crate deposit). Deposit for empty bottles and crate: 12 EUR (9.60 EUR for the crate plus 0.10 EUR per bottle). Glasses specifically designed to drink the beer can be purchased at the abbey in packs of 6 for 17 euro.

Buyers were originally limited to ten 24-bottle crates of the beer per car, but as the beer increased in popularity, this was first reduced to five, then to three and now to two or one crates. For the Westvleteren 12 in 2009, it was limited to one case. When making an order now, the type and quantity of beer available for sale are revealed. Sales are limited to one order every 60 days per person per license plate and phone number. Also, the beer must be reserved on their "beerphone" beforehand.[5] The monks do not sell beer to individuals who drive up to the abbey hoping to purchase beer. The reason for this is to eliminate commercial reselling, and hence give all visitors a chance to purchase the product.

The current production is 4750 hl (60,000 cases) per year, and has remained the same since 1946.[5]

Aside from the brewery itself, the only other official sale point for the beer is the abbey-owned In de Vrede, a cafe and visitor's centre opposite the abbey. All beers can be bought there for immediate consumption or take-away, depending on availability (however, prices are higher than at the abbey). Often there is no beer available at the shop. The shop also sells cheeses made at the abbey, yeast tabs (not yeast to make beer but dead yeast for health) and other Trappist products.

Buyers of the beer receive a receipt with Niet verder verkopen ("Do not resell") printed on it. The abbey is very much against resale of their beer, and it is their wish that the beer is only commercially available at the two official sale points. To this end, any Westvleteren beer which is sold anywhere else in the world is grey market beer, as no wholesalers or pubs are supplied with the beer. The abbey is actively working to eliminate the illicit sales,[5] and generally only agrees to media interviews to spread their message against drinking illicitly sold Westvleteren beer.[6]





Westvleteren XII with gift packaging and glasses
The brewery and the Belgian retailer Colruyt are bringing a gift pack (6 bottles Westvleteren 12, 2 glasses) for sale, only against exchange of promotional coupons printed in selected media. Goal of the sales is to increase income to provide funds for urgent and immediate renovations at the monastery. Available from November 2, 2011, sales will be limited to 93.000 packs. One pack per coupon at 25,00 Euro/pack. All earnings of the sale will go to the renovation project. This is a first in the history of the brewery. (source: Het Nieuwsblad, October 14, 2011)

On November 4, 2011, it was announced that US importer Shelton Brothers would be importing 7760 gift packs consisting of 6 bottles Westvleteren 12 and 2 glasses starting in April 2012. Also mentioned was that Manneken-Brusel Imports out of Austin, TX would also be importing an undisclosed amount of the beer into the U.S market. Pricing is to be determined.[7] Gift packs were available to attendees of a Shelton Brothers beer festival in June 2012 at a price of $85.[8]

A six pack (at CAD$76.85) was sold out on December 11, 2012 at various LCBO locations in Ontario
Really? We haven't gotten it yet...still in warehouses according to our system

Many beer drinkers rank Westvleteren 12 among their favourite beers.[10][11] The 8 and the Blonde also rank highly on beer-rating websites.

In June 2005, when Westvleteren 12 was again highlighted as "Best Beer in the World", news organizations followed this up and articles appeared in the international press, highlighting the beer ranking and the unusual business policies.

Following these events, interest in Westvleteren's output increased and stories appeared of the abbey's stock being low, forcing the monks to reduce the amount of beer sold to each customer. In an interview, monk Mark Bode explained that the abbey had no intention of increasing its production, despite demand: "We make the beer to live but we do not live for beer."[3]

Despite the popularity, the monks of St Sixtus have continued to decline almost all interview and visit requests, and have not enjoyed all of the attention they have received. Non-monastic visitors to the abbey are usually turned away, instead being directed to the visitor's centre opposite where there is information about the abbey and brewery. They have stated their desire to only produce as much beer as needed to finance the community
I really wanted to try and find a pack of this. Unfortunately there was no where near me that was getting this beer in. Alas, it's probably for the best. If I had tried this and liked it I would be stuck craving it for the rest of my life.

I am planning on waiting in line this year to get my hands on some 3 Floyds Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout. The brewery isn't too far from where I live.
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