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Old 06-12-2014, 01:10 PM   #1
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Good price for airfare to Europe?

Is $1094 per person a good deal for a non-stop flight from Newark, NJ to Frankfurt, germany , then a return from London to Newark (non-stop)?

I think I read the best time to get airfare to Europe is 50 days before the flight, but I can only leave after work when we depart so I am getting nervous about waiting and that flight will be gone.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:03 PM   #2
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Is $1094 per person a good deal for a non-stop flight from Newark, NJ to Frankfurt, germany , then a return from London to Newark (non-stop)?

I think I read the best time to get airfare to Europe is 50 days before the flight, but I can only leave after work when we depart so I am getting nervous about waiting and that flight will be gone.
I don't know your dates. It's N/S flights for the exact times you need. I'd book it. You might save a little if you wait but the available flights might not work with your schedule. I'm willing to pay a premium for good flights.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:06 PM   #3
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It's hard for me to say, because I have to go from Columbus, OH to New York/Newark/DC and then to Europe, but I would say that $1094 is a very good price for airfare to Europe. I've been watching my airfare (it must be a sickness! ) from Columbus to Edinburgh (and also from Columbus to London) and the lowest it has been is $1194. Most of the time, it's been in the $1250 range. Hopefully someone who has flown your direct connection will chime in.

If you don't have much flexibility in travel times, personally, I'd say go for it. But that's just me.

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Old 06-12-2014, 05:49 PM   #4
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As someone who is terrified of flying, I always book non-stop (or fewest stops possible), newer aircraft, and no regional jets. I end up paying a little more, but I find the earlier I book, the better the deal.

You can save a few $$ if you wait a little, but the routings and timings are never as good. From Austin to Europe, we've been paying in the $1500-$1600 range, so I think $1100 sounds great!
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:13 PM   #5
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There doesn't seem to be many N/S flights from EWR. Is JFK an option?

I can't believe how many people book multiple connections, sometimes with long layovers, for modest savings. A couple I met was able to use their miles for business class. The wound up taking 2 (maybe 3?) flights over more then 24 hours. Another couple was booked on a flight which arrived at around 6a. Rooms overseas are frequently not available until check in time.

You fare looks reasonable to me I'd book now.

Only issue. Can Disney cancel your trip? You'll be stuck with airline change fees if you need to change your trip. Some tour companies list some tours as "guaranteed departure". Some tour companies will run a tour, even if it means running the tour at less then capacity.

I have no idea of Adventures by Disney operates if they get low bookings for a tour.
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Here is the thing,

The price you found is a good one & you seem to be doing a Multi City

trip price structure.

Try using your airlines web site to Price the same travel set up

only starting from London to Newark to Frankfurt.

How are you travelling from Frankfurt to London ?

Prices really do not vary very much BUT You want those Seats on Those

Days ....... So Book them >> And then Relax
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Only issue. Can Disney cancel your trip? You'll be stuck with airline change fees if you need to change your trip. Some tour companies list some tours as "guaranteed departure". Some tour companies will run a tour, even if it means running the tour at less then capacity.

I have no idea of Adventures by Disney operates if they get low bookings for a tour.
ABD guarantees that their trips (with a few exceptions) will not be cancelled within 70 days of departure.

If ABD cancels your trip prior to 70 days due to lack of bookings, they work with you very hard to work things out. If you want to switch to another trip, they will switch you, and will, within reason, pay for what it will cost to change your airfare, whether you booked the airfare through them or not.

In 2008, because ABD had just done a significant expansion right before the economy tanked, there were several trip cancellations that year. I was booked to do the Montana/Glacier trip, but it was cancelled (only 3 people signed up). There was an Alaska trip that left the day before the Montana trip was supposed to go, and they switched me to that trip, and paid to switch my airfare from Montana to Alaska (and I hadn't booked through them).

I know someone else who switched from a North America trip to an Italy trip, and while ABD paid all of the change fees for his airfare, they didn't pay the entire difference in cost between a domestic flight and a European flight (so, within reason). If you cancel, they'll refund the price of the ABD, and I do believe they reimbursed folks for their airfare, too, but I can't recall that one. I don't remember anyone actually cancelling and not re-scheduling. But it was a long time ago. There haven't been that many cancellations (that we're aware of) since then.

ABD has been known to go with relatively few people. My first ABD went with 14 people, my next with 15, and my last one had 18.

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Old 06-13-2014, 07:25 AM   #8
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Here is the thing,

The price you found is a good one & you seem to be doing a Multi City

trip price structure.

Try using your airlines web site to Price the same travel set up

only starting from London to Newark to Frankfurt.

How are you travelling from Frankfurt to London ?

Prices really do not vary very much BUT You want those Seats on Those

Days ....... So Book them >> And then Relax
I am going on the Germany ABD and then staying in Munich for 2 nights for Oktoberfest. Then I am taking a train to Paris from Munich early in the morning , staying there for four nights then taking the express train to London. A lot of travelling but its cheaper on the train than flying and will take just as much time if you count baggage claim etc.
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There doesn't seem to be many N/S flights from EWR. Is JFK an option?

Only issue. Can Disney cancel your trip? You'll be stuck with airline change fees if you need to change your trip. Some tour companies list some tours as "guaranteed departure". Some tour companies will run a tour, even if it means running the tour at less then capacity.

I have no idea of Adventures by Disney operates if they get low bookings for a tour.
It will be a hassle for me to get to JFK and back so I am avoiding it lol

I am 97 days away form my trip. It is an adults only trip to Germany during Oktoberfest time so I don't think it will be cancelled considering the timing (at least I hope so!)
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ABD guarantees that their trips (with a few exceptions) will not be cancelled within 70 days of departure.

If ABD cancels your trip prior to 70 days due to lack of bookings, they work with you very hard to work things out. If you want to switch to another trip, they will switch you, and will, within reason, pay for what it will cost to change your airfare, whether you booked the airfare through them or not.

In 2008, because ABD had just done a significant expansion right before the economy tanked, there were several trip cancellations that year. I was booked to do the Montana/Glacier trip, but it was cancelled (only 3 people signed up). There was an Alaska trip that left the day before the Montana trip was supposed to go, and they switched me to that trip, and paid to switch my airfare from Montana to Alaska (and I hadn't booked through them).

I know someone else who switched from a North America trip to an Italy trip, and while ABD paid all of the change fees for his airfare, they didn't pay the entire difference in cost between a domestic flight and a European flight (so, within reason). If you cancel, they'll refund the price of the ABD, and I do believe they reimbursed folks for their airfare, too, but I can't recall that one. I don't remember anyone actually cancelling and not re-scheduling. But it was a long time ago. There haven't been that many cancellations (that we're aware of) since then.

ABD has been known to go with relatively few people. My first ABD went with 14 people, my next with 15, and my last one had 18.

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Thanks for the insight sayhello! Do you happen to know if the Germany ABD on 9/18 is sold out? I was thinking since it is during Oktoberfest it would be a popular trip
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ABD guarantees that their trips (with a few exceptions) will not be cancelled within 70 days of departure.

If ABD cancels your trip prior to 70 days due to lack of bookings, they work with you very hard to work things out. If you want to switch to another trip, they will switch you, and will, within reason, pay for what it will cost to change your airfare, whether you booked the airfare through them or not.
Good to know. Not every tour operator will compensate change fees or pay for fare increases if they cancel a trip. Customers have to wait until the trip is guaranteed departure, take their chances or book air with the tour company.
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Thanks for the insight sayhello! Do you happen to know if the Germany ABD on 9/18 is sold out? I was thinking since it is during Oktoberfest it would be a popular trip
You're welcome! You can call ABD (or your TA if you went through one) and find out how many people are on your departure. If it's more than 14, I'd say your chances are good it will go. And yes, I'd think any trip to Germany during Oktoberfest would be popular!

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Good to know. Not every tour operator will compensate change fees or pay for fare increases if they cancel a trip. Customers have to wait until the trip is guaranteed departure, take their chances or book air with the tour company.
It's one of the things I like about ABD. No-one wants to have their trip cancelled, but it's nice to know ABD will work with you if it is.

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Hi! I fly routes like this often and that sounds a bit expensive to me (without knowing the details..). For instance, I am Flying NYC round trip from Vienna and paying $725 Sep. 23rd - Oct. 5th

Can you share the details of where you need to be when and from where? I can take a look to see if I find something cheaper.

Do keep in mind, in Europe- flying is very often cheaper than the train. I can look up the prices in German for you if you want. Might be cheaper.
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Hi! I fly routes like this often and that sounds a bit expensive to me (without knowing the details..). For instance, I am Flying NYC round trip from Vienna and paying $725 Sep. 23rd - Oct. 5th

Can you share the details of where you need to be when and from where? I can take a look to see if I find something cheaper.

Do keep in mind, in Europe- flying is very often cheaper than the train. I can look up the prices in German for you if you want. Might be cheaper.
We would like to leave EWR the evening of 9/18/14. We both have to work that day so nothing earlier than 7pm. The current flight I am looking at is United EWR-FRA at 735pm. Due to rush hour traffic we cant make it to JFK in time for a flight.

We are travelling from Munich to Paris via train on Monday 9/29/14 (the 6 am train is the cheapest I think).

We are taking the train to London from Paris at some point on 10/3/14. I am not sure what time we want to leave Paris.

We will leave London late afternoon on 10/5/14 to fly home

I saw the flight dropped to 1k even today so I probably will just book it today.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:17 PM   #15
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Personally, I'd buy the tickets. With the time restrictions you have, and the fact that non-stops are available, I'd rather pay more for what I want/need than risk that when a sale happens, you can't get those flights. And honestly, it's rarely the non-stops that go on sale. It's the ones with multiple or bad stops. Of course, that's just my experience, but I personally would not risk it.

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