Disney Information Station Logo

Go Back   The DIS Discussion Forums - DISboards.com > Disney Trip Planning Forums > Camping at Disney World
Find Hotel Specials & DIScounts
 
facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS UpdatesDIS email updates
Register Chat FAQ Tickers Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read





Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-08-2010, 10:23 AM   #316
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,282

Quote:
Originally Posted by Disneylitch View Post
You would think with all of the talented Disney Imagineers, they could have come up with something. Many of us have had great ideas, but maybe it's because we have the degree in common sense and not some higher level of learning. I guess we will have to bombard them with our ideas and see what happens. I'll see what contact information for the higher ups I can find.
I agree it has nothing to do with talent.

Any upgrade/rebuild is going to cost a fair amount of money. The CPA's will do a return on investment (ROI) analysis and determine if its worth it.

I'm not a CPA but I'm fairly certain its not worth it.

When RC first opened it was right in the middle of everything and was a quick boat ride from any Disney hotel or a short tram ride in the the campground.

It was also very unique being a themed water park.

Well now there are two other much larger themed water parks on property and two others in the area.

RC is now at the edge of WDW and many people would find it hard to get to. If you told then its near the Fort Wilderness Campground, most people would look at you funny and say "There's a campground on property?"

Its now just a hunk of land with no use. If Disney was going to build anything new, there are much better lots to build on with better access.

Also the only way its going to be another water park is if they bulldoze it down and rebuild. No matter how nostalgic it is, its was a badly designed park.

Even the regular pool would be an insurance nightmare today. Its way too deep and there are rocks along the edge to dive off of. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

Also the body slides dumped you into over 6 feet of water.

Just like all those really cool casinos in Las Vegas that Dino and the Rat Pack hung out in, its time has come and gone you just have to live with it.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS23 DS21
chartle is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 12:25 PM   #317
bigAWL
DIS Veteran
 
bigAWL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The Hague, Netherlands
Posts: 1,668

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
Well now there are two other much larger themed water parks on property and two others in the area.
I think this is the key. As long as those two parks are raking in the money. There's no need to invest in another water park. Perhaps if attendance at those two parks were consistently at capacity.... But the water parks are pretty seasonal, so a high investment in something that really won't be popular year round....

Anyway. Because there are two water parks, I personally don't want another one. I'd much rather see Disney invest in something completely new and different.

1970s: Magic Kingdom
1980s: EPCOT Center
1990s: MGM Studios
2000s: Animal Kingdom (actually 1998, but who's counting)
2010s: ????

It's about time for that 5th major theme park.
__________________
............... Walt Disney World ............ Disney Cruise Line .................... Disneyland Resort .............. Disneyland Paris
1979 .......... Golf Resort
1984 .......... Hotel Royal Plaza
1989 .......... Offsite?
2007 Jun .................................................. .................................................. ................. Newport Bay Club
2008 May-Jun .. Shades of Green ................. Wonder 4-night Bahamas Double-dip
2009 Jul ...... Shades of Green ................. Magic 7-night E. Caribbean Tortola
2010 Jun ........................................ Magic 12-night Northern Europe
2010 Dec ...... Saratoga Springs Resort ......... Magic 11-night S. Caribbean Holiday
2011 Jul ........................................ Wonder 7-night Alaska .................... Villas at Grand Californian
2011 Oct ...... Polynesian - AKV Kidani
2012 Jun ...... Bay Lake Tower .................. Fantasy 7-night W. Caribbean
2013 Mar ...... Beach Club Villas - BLT ......... Dream 4/3-night Bahamas Back-to-Back

Future Plans:
2014 Jun ........................................ Magic 12-night Med. Barcelona-Venice
2015 Jun-Jul .................................... Magic 11-night Norwegian Fjords & Iceland
bigAWL is online now  
|
The DIS
Register to remove

Join Date: 1997
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,000,000
Old 04-08-2010, 12:54 PM   #318
Ziggie
Gets "ziggie with it" for Disney
The TF is inspired by Ziggie!!!
Winner of the "Who's been extra nice on the boards this week" Award
 
Ziggie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sunny Florida ~ not too far from Mickey :)
Posts: 1,121

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigAWL View Post
I think this is the key. As long as those two parks are raking in the money. There's no need to invest in another water park. Perhaps if attendance at those two parks were consistently at capacity.... But the water parks are pretty seasonal, so a high investment in something that really won't be popular year round....

Anyway. Because there are two water parks, I personally don't want another one. I'd much rather see Disney invest in something completely new and different.

1970s: Magic Kingdom
1980s: EPCOT Center
1990s: MGM Studios
2000s: Animal Kingdom (actually 1998, but who's counting)
2010s: ????

It's about time for that 5th major theme park.
Of course the water parks are seasonal. Regardless of how outsiders view Florida, we really don't swim down here in the winter months. Disney knows this and closes the water parks for refurb during this time.

Another water park is not necessary. But they most certainly can do something else productive with the land.
__________________
Over 500 trips to WDW
Ziggie is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 02:32 PM   #319
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,282

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggie View Post
Of course the water parks are seasonal. Regardless of how outsiders view Florida, we really don't swim down here in the winter months. Disney knows this and closes the water parks for refurb during this time.

Another water park is not necessary. But they most certainly can do something else productive with the land.
They certainly can but it has to tie in with the campground. One of the current rumors is that it will be turned into expensive water front campsites. Maybe even DVC. That would make sense. Putting another destination type area (the new Pleasure Island??) doesn't sense becuase the area is so hard to get to.

More campsites have minimal investment and upkeep with greater returns.

You are treating this area like its hallowed ground and something has to go there. They have scores of other places to build stuff.*

Of course it didn't help that they basically just let River Country just rot in place. If they torn it down right after they decided to close it for good we wouldn't be having this conversation.

*Re-read this sentence sorry I wasn't trying to be so harsh.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS23 DS21
chartle is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 02:47 PM   #320
Bill Brown
December Guest
 
Bill Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: California
Posts: 459

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
...If they torn it down right after they decided to close it for good we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Sure seems like Disney's legal beagles would have urged that the site be razed to eliminate it from becoming an attractive nuisance. I think there'd be one heck of a liability if a curious person (especially a child) were to get injured or killed while exploring RC.
Bill Brown is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 03:37 PM   #321
Disneylitch
DIS Veteran
 
Disneylitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Street, Maryland
Posts: 557

River Country was a totally different of water park. I realize that there are the 2 other parks, but they don't compare. You would have thought they would have done something with it, even if it was on a smaller scale. The guests at the campgrounds would have used it and possibly cut down on the crowds at the other water parks. I know my kids preferred going to River Country. It was right there and they didn't have to get on a bus to get there. I just wish they would do something. It is very depressing that they are just letting it rot.
Disneylitch is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 03:47 PM   #322
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,282

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Brown View Post
Sure seems like Disney's legal beagles would have urged that the site be razed to eliminate it from becoming an attractive nuisance. I think there'd be one heck of a liability if a curious person (especially a child) were to get injured or killed while exploring RC.
There was another thread or was it part of this thread I don't know with pics of bulldozers tearing down some of the easily seen areas and putting up new fencing to block the view.

It may have been the result of another thread on this board with extensive pics from inside.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS23 DS21
chartle is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 05:18 PM   #323
Ziggie
Gets "ziggie with it" for Disney
The TF is inspired by Ziggie!!!
Winner of the "Who's been extra nice on the boards this week" Award
 
Ziggie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sunny Florida ~ not too far from Mickey :)
Posts: 1,121

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
They certainly can but it has to tie in with the campground. One of the current rumors is that it will be turned into expensive water front campsites. Maybe even DVC. That would make sense. Putting another destination type area (the new Pleasure Island??) doesn't sense becuase the area is so hard to get to.

More campsites have minimal investment and upkeep with greater returns.

You are treating this area like its hallowed ground and something has to go there. They have scores of other places to build stuff.*

Of course it didn't help that they basically just let River Country just rot in place. If they torn it down right after they decided to close it for good we wouldn't be having this conversation.

*Re-read this sentence sorry I wasn't trying to be so harsh.
I'm not treating this area like it's hallowed ground.. not at all. Should it be left the way it is? Absolutely not... it's a mess. And it's disrespectful (the awards sign) to those cast members that put forth effort and charm to make it a wonderful place for visitors back in the day. So, can Disney put it to better use than the condition it's in now? Absolutely.
__________________
Over 500 trips to WDW
Ziggie is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 05:27 PM   #324
Nayan
DIS Veteran
 
Nayan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: About an hour east of WDW. 192 all the way "home". :)
Posts: 1,350

Looking at the pictures of the way it is now just killed me . RC was, for a number of years, the place I looked forward to going besides the MK. It's sad to see it rotting away and I really don't know why Disney didn't tear it down years ago, unless for some strange reason it's been in a holding pattern for refurb. But maybe since there's been activity by it they're up to something? It sure would be nice as an expanded area for the campers, maybe another swimming area .
__________________
Me DS
Nayan is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 05:42 PM   #325
CampingChristy
Mouseketeer
 
CampingChristy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 476

As hard as it is to get a site, I would like to see the campground expanded in some way to make more campsites. Just my opinion.
CampingChristy is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 05:59 PM   #326
Disneylitch
DIS Veteran
 
Disneylitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Street, Maryland
Posts: 557

It would be nice to have more full hook up sites. Not everyone wants a premium site. They could convert the sites that were made premium back to full hook or preferred sites and make the RC area a premium area. Some of the sites that were made premium certainly aren't in a premium location. RC area would definitely be premium. The sites would be lake front and we all know how much people will pay just to see the water.
Disneylitch is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 07:33 PM   #327
BBQChick
Earning My Ears
 
BBQChick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Arvada,Co.
Posts: 19

Look at what they did with the 20K ride. How many years did it just sit there before anything happened? Of course once the green walls come up then it's all over.

another cool web sight to look at what happened when they tore down the 20k ride:
20kride.com
it's facinating to see how this stuff all happens. And of course the amazing brass balls of those who will go in and document it.
BBQChick is offline  
Old 04-08-2010, 07:56 PM   #328
Bill Brown
December Guest
 
Bill Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: California
Posts: 459

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBQChick View Post
...what happened when they tore down the 20k ride:

www.20kride.com

it's fascinating to see how this stuff all happens...
Wow! That was interesting. Glad DL got the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage instead of the land fill treatment given 20k at WDW.
Bill Brown is offline  
Old 04-09-2010, 09:38 AM   #329
JCJRSmith
US Navy Veteran
 
JCJRSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Posts: 2,214

The big problem with the 20,000 Leagues ride at WDW is because of the way the park is built. A lot of folks don't realize that when you are walking down Main Stree USA in the MK, you are walking on the second floor of a building. Disney built the base building which contains the utilidors and buried it under the flotsam and soil they pulled from what eventually became the lake in front of the MK. 20,000 Leagues kept leaking into the tunnels below, so they had to close it down.

It is a shame, too - I really liked that ride, hokey as it was.
__________________
Jerry in PA
...Can't Sleep - Clown Will Eat Me...
JCJRSmith is offline  
Old 04-09-2010, 09:49 AM   #330
BigDaddyRog
Ask me about my cartoon pitch
I'm all Disney'd up feeling innocent and pure
Cut up and act like a clown while ya gotta chance to embarrass those that are forced to love you.
 
BigDaddyRog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mandeville, LA....30 miles north of New Orleans
Posts: 7,141

Years ago, I bought some fake aquarium plants on ebay that were listed as "leftover from the 20k maintenance stock"...I knew when I bought them that it may or may not be true....the seller WAS listed as being from central FL....so, if even it was just a cool story to sell plastic aquarium plants, it worked on me. I DIDNT give it alot of thought about what these plants may look like...I just figured I had some room in a 55gal tank, and these plants had a great story to them!! They arrived in a 18"x18" box, and I simply thought "Heeeyy...my WDW plants are here!!!", well....these things were about FOUR FEET LONG!!!!! the box was literally crammed packed with these hideously colored plastic plants!!! I had to cut them to size to fit a small portion into my aquarium. I still to this day dont know if they were REALLY intended for future use in 20k before its closing....but they sure would have been big enough!!
BigDaddyRog is offline  
Closed Thread



Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How many States and Countries Cherinva Podcast Cruises 202 10-19-2010 01:26 PM
Country Hearth Inn & suites, SC candielips Canadian Trip Planning & Community Board 0 11-30-2009 07:21 AM
River Hill football player killed in Howard County crash (Maryland) disney1990 Community Board 0 11-29-2009 04:21 PM
How long to cook 6 lbs of boneless pork country ribs? frannn Community Board 10 11-25-2009 08:34 PM
We r thinking of moving - ie escape to the country released life is too short MrsJobba1 UK Community Board 6 11-18-2009 01:34 AM

facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS Updates
GET OUR DIS UPDATES DELIVERED BY EMAIL



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright © 1997-2014, Werner Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

You Rated this Thread: