Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[C.Ann]

The "he said", "she said", "he did", "she did", is basically irrelevant now.. They are getting a divorce and there's no going back - according to both of them..

The only thing left to be concerned about now is the extremely poor judgement they displayed last night by using this news as a ratings ploy and having it preserved for all time - for their children to see..

In doing so, the media craze that is bound to follow this big "announcment" will cause more troubles and heartaches for those children than anyone could have ever imagined.. It will be hard enough for those children to deal with their parents divorcing without having had it splashed all over the media..

What were they thinking? Or were they thinking at all?? Once again, they chose to make their children's emotional well-being their last priority.. What is it going to take for them to realize that they need to get out of the limelight in order to serve their children's best interest?

After last night, I don't have a clue.. I don't think there is anything that anyone could ever say or do to convince them that it's time to pull the plug..

Those poor kids..

[newtodis]

Originally Posted by FergieTCat

Do you think this will take the air out of the sails of the tabloids, Jodi, Kevin, Julie, GWOP, etc.? What else is there to say, except to continue the cry that they are "exploiting the children."

No...there will be too many details to dish throughout the divorce. If J&K don't want the attention, they'll either sit down and share the details so they're not discovered, or find a way to have them sealed somehow. If/when the show stops, people will have nowhere else to go for their "updates" on this family and will rely on the p people for those...it's a vicious cycle. I wonder how long it will be before the next round of pictures and accusations???

[huey duey & luey]

Originally Posted by NYDisGuy
Kate has treated him horribly throughout the course of this whole show. I also haven't seen Jon get a new haircut, chemical peels, and walk around with hundreds of dollars worth of clothing either. This obvioulsey was a loveless marraige and he wanted to explore other options. Yes divorce sucks, but it happens with 50% of Americans. And for people saying this will hurt the kids, it won't be the divorce but the continuing TLC covereage and Kate going on her "book" tours that will ultimatley hurt them.



you haven't? I have seen him get hair plugs, 2 earrings go to the gym, go skiing,buy a new car. Also, Ed Hardy jeans and sweatshirts that teenagers should be wearing aren't cheap either. I do not think Kate is blameless. I do agree with her when she said there were fundamental differences in the marriage. However, the fact that he is excited about the next phase in his life, speaks volumes about him as a person

sorry Buckalew: posting at the same time. GMTA
guess this hould have been here
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[FergieTCat]

Maybe the PA Dept. of Labor don't see any violations, and don't feel a need to answer to Mr. Petersen. I guess Mr. Petersen considers himself the ultimate authority (and yes, I know who he is and what "A Minor Consideration" is but I still think he was off base).

I don't think the children are being exploited. I think they have a very passive role in the filming. They just have to be and the camera films them. They aren't being forced to stand under hot lights for hours on end without anyone looking out for their best interests. Granted, I don't know what goes on behind the cameras but I seriously doubt it's anything drastic.

Additionally, I guess I was right. The marriage has already been destroyed; looks like the delightful Julie isn't going to stop until she destroys Kate as well. She, Jodi, Kevin and GWOP deserve to marinate in their own nasty swill.

Originally Posted by newtodis

New Blog from Julie:

Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Waiting
I keep reading that the PA Department of Labor is investigating the show. To my knowledge, people who have filed complaints and have actually been present during filming have not even been acknowledged, interviewed...nothing!

Mr. Petersen is also experiencing the same frustrations.

http://www.minorcon.org/waiting.html

What can explain the failure of folks to make use of the communications tools as close as their computer or telephone? Is it just me, or do others wonder why the higher-ups at TLC, the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry, or the so-called professionals surrounding Nadya Suleman can't bring themselves to pick up the telephone and call A Minor Consideration?

Is there some reason the team around Jon and Kate just can't see their way clear to involving the premiere experts in the totality of the risks unique to children in entertainment?

Is it guilt or fear? Those are poor excuses when the welfare of dozens of children is at stake.

It is absolutely clear that mistakes have been made by parents and production companies alike, and that whatever advice and counsel may have been sought has been sickeningly misguided.

"What we have here," said Strother Martin in "Cool Hand Luke," "is a failure to communicate."

It is the height of corporate irresponsibility to employ children in profit-making endeavors and pretend that there are no consequences…now or in the future.

Generations of parents who exposed their flesh-and-blood to celebrity have learned to their sorrow that they didn't know best.

State labor officials need to recognize how dangerous their lack of knowledge of the production process can be when children are employed, especially in reality shows, which are all show and no reality.

The legal advisors to those named above might want to take a look at the principle of Disaffirmance, for I can promise you that when the kids you are employing get around to calling us on their 18th birthday every dollar you think you saved by not treating them fairly will be multiplied a hundred-fold.

Count on it

A Minor Consideration does not engage in "I told you so" if that is your concern. We deal in the present and the future as only we know it.

There is no excuse for child abuse.

And finally, if there is anyone in the White House who wants to know how the $68 million dollars committed to global child labor the President just announced might be better spent right here at home, you're welcome to call, too.

Paul Petersen
Posted by The Truth Will Set You Free at 7:42 AM

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.co...6/waiting.html

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Originally Posted by Geoff_M

My point was that Kate had plenty of time to look at, or talk about the site selected. By her own admission she said that she hadn't seen the site even though he had been working on it. What prevent her from at least walking down to the site while Jon wasn't around even if they weren't proactively talking about it? Since when has be decided to be "shy" to Jon about expressing an opinion?

By the same token, Jon could have asked her where she thought the houses should go before he started. Point is they both could have handled the situation differently.

[mickeyboat]

I posted on the other thread, but it might have been missed. I think the reason Kate filed on Monday is financial. I think she is concerned that Jon will continue to spend marital assets and make marital committments (ie apartment lease in NY) which will obligate her. She needed to put a stop to it - and typically marital assets and obligations will be measured as of the date of separation (not sure how it works in PA).

[Geoff_M]

Originally Posted by luna99

my husband said "why did she have to say all that? why couldn't she just have said it took us longer than we thought to get the crooked houses up and then move on from that topic?"

I hadn't seen the OCC episode before last evening and I thought the same thing about her comments about the scooter they gave her. I understand it was going to charity, but did she really need to say that she was quickly going to get rid of it? Likewise, the snarky crack about how the scooter said "Boy, Girl, Girl, Boy,..." instead of listing the kids' name and that the OCC gang "didn't bother to learn their names" (ignoring the fact that they were spelled out on the chopper's rear fender). Saw any of that really necessary when talking about people that were giving you stuff (even if TLC was paying for it)?

[LoraJ]

Originally Posted by FergieTCat

Maybe the PA Dept. of Labor don't see any violations, and don't feel a need to answer to Mr. Petersen. I guess Mr. Petersen considers himself the ultimate authority (and yes, I know who he is and what "A Minor Consideration" is but I still think he was off base).

I don't think the children are being exploited. I think they have a very passive role in the filming. They just have to be and the camera films them. They aren't being forced to stand under hot lights for hours on end without anyone looking out for their best interests. Granted, I don't know what goes on behind the cameras but I seriously doubt it's anything drastic.

Additionally, I guess I was right. The marriage has already been destroyed; looks like the delightful Julie isn't going to stop until she destroys Kate as well. She, Jodi, Kevin and GWOP deserve to marinate in their own nasty swill.

I totally agree!!!

[C.Ann]

Originally Posted by newtodis

No...there will be too many details to dish throughout the divorce. If J&K don't want the attention, they'll either sit down and share the details so they're not discovered, or find a way to have them sealed somehow. If/when the show stops, people will have nowhere else to go for their "updates" on this family and will rely on the p people for those...it's a vicious cycle. I wonder how long it will be before the next round of pictures and accusations???

I agree.. I don't think this is going to be an "easy, amicable divorce".. Even if the "correct" details are never released, the paparazzi will just make up their own to sell rag sheets..

Every move either one makes will be captured on film - in hopes of finding more scandal..

But what disturbs me the most is that you know the paparazzi always shout out "questions" while snapping away.. The next time Mady & Cara are out anywhere in public the shouts will be, "How do you feel about your parents divorcing?" "Do you miss daddy?" "Did you see the Crooked House episode?" The paps are not "kind, thoughtful, sensitive people".. They will stoop to any level necessary to get a photo, story, statement or scoop.. Children are not "off limits" - and never have been..

Hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if on future episodes of J&K TLC actually interviews Mady & Cara on the "couch".. Last night proved just how low Jon, Kate, and TLC will stoop in the name of money and ratings..

So what happens now? Do the kids have to go into total isolation??

Pathetic..

[daughtersrus]

I don't follow the show as much as I used to but does anyone know where Kate is going to live when Jon is at that house with the children? I don't see her living in the garage or will he only get to be at the house when she is on vacation or at book signings?

[Geoff_M]

Originally Posted by TanyaLovesPooh

By the same token, Jon could have asked her where she thought the houses should go before he started. Point is they both could have handled the situation differently.

It's not clear that he didn't. She was aware of the location beforehand, but hadn't bothered to look at it until the day the truck arrived. It wasn't a secret project on Jon's part conducted with no knowledge on her part. Her objection didn't exist until Day 0.

[Buckalew11]

I think she was really trying to give him a say about where those houses were going. however, he made a bad decision (but hey, he is not used to making decisions so who's surprised? Just remember 2:00am and Jon's decision!). While those are nice woods, it was just too far from the house. Kate thinks most everything through very thoroghly and she had the better idea. In the end, how can you not say anything and allow those houses to be set up in the totally wrong spot?

[newtodis]

Originally Posted by Geoff_M

I didn't say that he had spent months preparing the site, I said he had spend "time" over a period of months.

My point was that Kate had plenty of time to look at, or talk about the site selected. By her own admission she said that she hadn't seen the site even though he had been working on it. What prevent her from at least walking down to the site while Jon wasn't around even if they weren't proactively talking about it? Since when has be decided to be "shy" to Jon about expressing an opinion? If I were Jon. I'd have hit the roof when Kate pulled that last minute stunt. I don't think it was calculated on her part or malicious, but indicative of the behavior that can cause others to throw up their hands and walk away.

I'm sorry - I must have misunderstood!

I didn't see anything specifically in the woods marking Jon's idea for the location so it may have been hard for Kate to determine the spot honestly. I'm really not trying to defend or take sides... I think Jon was crazy to think the little kids would be ok running all the way out into the woods to play in a little house. Bad things would happen with my DS4 (5 in three weeks) playing in the woods alone - I can already seen broken bones, getting lost, having an accident because he wouldn't make it back to the house in time, who knows....of course my DS4 is always on the lookout for trouble. Kate did mention during the interview on the rare chances that Jon will talk to her (paraphrasing here), it ends is a fight so maybe the whole talking about the situation just wasn't an option at all. I honestly think Jon had his mind set on the spot and was going forward with what he wanted....I don't know. It all ended well in the sense that the kids got their houses and looked like they had an awesome time with them.

Originally Posted by TanyaLovesPooh

By the same token, Jon could have asked her where she thought the houses should go before he started. Point is they both could have handled the situation differently.

Very true...as I mentioned above, Kate said something last night about not being able to talk to Jon at all so I'm sure that played a role in everything last night. Kate also mentioned being a rough day behind the scenes or something like that so maybe they attempted to talk about it and things didn't go well????

Some day the crew will write a book and make their money I would be willing to bet.

Originally Posted by daughtersrus

I don't follow the show as much as I used to but does anyone know where Kate is going to live when Jon is at that house with the children? I don't see her living in the garage or will he only get to be at the house when she is on vacation or at book signings?

It was never really mentioned that I heard. I wondered the same thing though...

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I wish someone would close thread #4...I am getting dizzy.

[Geoff_M]

Originally Posted by Buckalew11

I think she was really trying to give him a say about where those houses were going. however, he made a bad decision (but hey, he is not used to making decisions so who's surprised? Just remember 2:00am and Jon's decision!). While those are nice woods, it was just too far from the house. Kate thinks most everything through very thoroghly and she had the better idea. In the end, how can you not say anything and allow those houses to be set up in the totally wrong spot?

I don't disagree that the final location was a better one, I only shook my head at the way it all went down. Swooping in at the last minute, usurping the project, and leaving Jon standing there on the outside feeling stupid ain't the way to handle such things... but it was pretty stereotypical of the marriage as presented on TV thus far.