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Old 07-29-2013, 12:29 PM   #196
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Yes, there is life beyond Disney, hard as it is to imagine. What a magical experience to meet someone who was there as a child and to share that with your children. They will never forget.

It is a special place, a reverent place and to add that to it, wow.

Amazing.
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This portion of the memorial really moved me. That these men wanted to laid to rest with their brothers brought tears to my eyes.

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It was VERY well done. I was a little nervous about how our kids would handle it. Would they be scared and fearful? Would it mean anything? Everything was age appropriate for our kids and I must say, they were more reverent and respectful than some adults there.
It's nice when they're finally old enough to start appreciating these things.

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Rob - Thanks for that info. We were wondering what it meant.....if it was a special character with meaning....or just a design. Thanks for sharing.
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Awesome update! How cool that your family got to meet that sweet gentleman who was there on that infamous day. That is definately a sign.

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Excellent update on Pearl Harbor. I appreciate the fact that my DW and I were able to visit this historic site on our honeymoon and intend to make sure that my childern visit someday as well.

I'm in the same boat as you regarding the nature of a lot of people these days. As Lee Greenwood sang in our favorite 4th of July tune, I'm proud to be an American. Unfortunately there are too many people out there who don't get it.
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I finally found the time to read your very interesting update about Pearl Harbour.

The fascinating thing for me is that it is a WWII memorial that is not about the bad things my country did (or at least not directly related to it). It seems to be a very special place and a very well done memorial and museum. It will certainly be very high on my list of places to visit in Hawaii, so all your practical tips are very much appreciated!

And how annoying that people were not treating the memorial with the respect it deserves. Were there signs saying that people should not use their mobiles? In a few of the larger churches here in Europe that get lots of tourists visiting them that they actually have people (volunteers it seems) to go around and remind people of how to behave properly in a church. They even got me once, I am ashamed to admit. But if you are there with a million tourists, it is easy to forget where you are. So maybe that might be an option for the memorial as well?
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I found your TR late, and thought I'd just lurk as you went along.

However, I had to come out of hiding to say how much I enjoyed this update. I found myself on the verge of tears more than once, but I couldn't hold them back any longer when you described those who had chosen to be laid to rest with their brothers.

What a wonderful experience for you children to meet one of the survivors. What they learn in school will never compare to that. One of my grandfather's best friends when I was growing up had been on Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He didn't like to talk about it much, but I'll never forget the stories he was willing to share.

A beautifully written description of a very important place. Hats off to you!

aboard Shannon! I'm glad you found the TR and are following along.

That's why we take these trips--not that school isn't great, but you learn just as much through your travels and experiences. I had a grandfather who fought in WWII and it was the same thing--not much conversation about it, but the times he did open up it was riveting.

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Seriously - what he said!

Wow Mark, you brought tears to my eyes reading this update! Thank you so much for your recap. Probably as close to being there as any I have read.

I just think there are people who tour historical sites from a very surfacy perspective. They don't really "get" it. And as a memorial its hard to think that their decorum wouldn't be respectful, but then again I'm not surprised.

Thanks so much for this update!
Thanks Mary Ellen! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just hope my kids understood the importance of the place and won't be the ones standing there texting in 30 years.

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I found your post while researching Aulani as I am hoping to get there in a couple years (you cant start researching such a magnificent place too early ).
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Anyway, I have been totally captivated by your TP. I have enjoyed everything about it from the pictures to the funny comments you make to the reviews. But I had to break my silence from being a lurking reader to a poster when I read your review on Pearl Harbor. All I can say is WOW! Very touching! I just wanted to say thank you to you for taking the time to make such a great post for us to read. And thanks to your family for letting us come along and enjoying your vacation with you. Great job!
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Great update Mark.

From following the concierge directions to the whole experience at Pearl Harbor, it sounds like you had one excellent day.

So nice to have the chance for some time with an eyewitness to that fateful day. How great that your kids ( and you ) got the chance to meet that man and hear his story.
And this is only the morning's events!

Amazing what you can learn from people with experience.

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Old 07-29-2013, 01:38 PM   #201
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Not at all! I actually tried to find out what its name was and significance but struck out. So you filled in quite nicely.
Well… then if it’s not stepping out of bounds, here’s a bit more of the story on the design of this fine monument (and it’s a good story).

The memorial was dedicated on Memorial Day, 1962. Per US Navy requirements, it spans the sunken hull of the battleship Arizona like a bridge without touching it. Visually the basic shape of a peak at either end connected by a “sag” in the center of the structure evokes two separate ideas. First it has the appearance of an out stretched white sail hovering above the waters of the harbor. Secondly that often criticized “sag” represents the height of American pride before the war, the sudden depression of the nation after the attack on December 7th, and the rise of American power to new heights after the war.

The architect describe it this way: “Wherein the structure sags in the center but stands strong and vigorous at the ends, expresses initial defeat and ultimate victory … The overall effect is one of serenity. Overtones of sadness have been omitted to permit the individual to contemplate his own personal responses … his innermost feelings.”

The central assembly room features seven large open “windows” on either wall that extend up and through the ceiling, to commemorate the date of the attack. The total number of openings is 21 to symbolically represents a 21 gun salute or 21 Marines standing at eternal parade rest over the tomb of the fallen sailors. The other major feature is the stylized Tree of Life design at one end; the end which represents America’s growth from loss and return to strength.

There is also an opening in the floor overlooking the sunken decks of the ship. From here visitors can pay their respects by dropping flowers in honor of the fallen sailors. Note that you should not drop leis in the water though, only flowers. This is because string from leis poses a hazard to sea-life. Leis are permitted on the guard rails located in front of the names of the fallen.

A little about the architect…
Alfred Preis was born and raised in Vienna, Austria. He left there in 1939 to escape the German annexation of his homeland and eventually settled in Honolulu. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, he was detained there for three months at the Sand Island Detainment Camp as part of the internment policy of Japanese and German Americans. Afterward he chose to remain in Hawaii and is known for having designed a number of buildings and structures on the island.




We now return this hijacked TR back to its genial host who will have far more entertaining stories and pictures to share with all of us.

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Old 07-29-2013, 02:07 PM   #202
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Mark, the whole Chapter 4 was fascinating, from start to finish. Our not visiting Pearl Harbor when we were there 30 years for our honeymoon is the one thing we regret from that trip. After reading your chapter, I could kick myself in the behind even more.
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Great update on Pearl Harbor, and how super your kids got to hear the story from an actual eyewitness account!!!
It was really awesome!


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As someone who has a father who fought in and is a survivor of WWII, and served in the Navy in the Pacific (although just a little young to enlist until after Pearl Harbor), this has always been one of my favorite parts of history to research and study. I really appreciate all of the pictures and details your TR provided that are different from what is normally seen!
I'm fascinated by WWII as well. Just started a book about a secret OSS mission in the Italian Alps. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the chapter.


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And I am another one who is saddened by those who visit historic sites like this who take the privilege for granted, and don't give it the proper reverence and respect it deserves! I'm so glad those who give the actual tours don't kid around when stressing the significance!
You can count on the military to provide proper decorum.
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Old 07-29-2013, 04:21 PM   #203
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So just a few things . . .

The pictures - just amazing.

Your interpretation of the Pearl Harbor visit - brought chills to my spine.

And the unplanned meet up with the man who had lived the history - also just amazing.

And you're only on day two! I cannot wait to read some more.
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Great updates. Happy to see you didn't get too far while I was away.
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No sense in taking that topic any farther though, it’d just detract from your otherwise joyful and entertaining TR.
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Yes, there is life beyond Disney, hard as it is to imagine. What a magical experience to meet someone who was there as a child and to share that with your children. They will never forget.

It is a special place, a reverent place and to add that to it, wow.

Amazing.
I hope they don't forget it. We were only there for a couple of hours, but it was an important couple of hours.
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Well… then if it’s not stepping out of bounds, here’s a bit more of the story on the design of this fine monument (and it’s a good story).

The memorial was dedicated on Memorial Day, 1962. Per US Navy requirements, it spans the sunken hull of the battleship Arizona like a bridge without touching it. Visually the basic shape of a peak at either end connected by a “sag” in the center of the structure evokes to separate ideas. First it has the appearance of an out stretched white sail hovering above the waters of the harbor. Secondly that often criticized “sag” represents the height of American pride before the war, the sudden depression of the nation after the attack on December 7th, and the rise of American power to new heights after the war.

The architect describe it this way: “Wherein the structure sags in the center but stands strong and vigorous at the ends, expresses initial defeat and ultimate victory … The overall effect is one of serenity. Overtones of sadness have been omitted to permit the individual to contemplate his own personal responses … his innermost feelings.”

The central assembly room features seven large open “windows” on either wall that extend up and through the ceiling, to commemorate the date of the attack. The total number of openings is 21 to symbolically represents a 21 gun salute or 21 Marines standing at eternal parade rest over the tomb of the fallen sailors. The other major feature is the stylized Tree of Life design at one end; the end which represents America’s growth from loss and return to strength.

There is also an opening in the floor overlooking the sunken decks of the ship. From here visitors can pay their respects by dropping flowers in honor of the fallen sailors. Note that you should not drop leis in the water though, only flowers. This is because string from leis poses a hazard to sea-life. Leis are permitted on the guard rails located in front of the names of the fallen.

A little about the architect…
Alfred Preis was born and raised in Vienna, Austria. He left there in 1939 to escape the German annexation of his homeland and eventually settled in Honolulu. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, he was detained there for three months at the Sand Island Detainment Camp as part of the internment policy of Japanese and German Americans. Afterward he chose to remain in Hawaii and is known for having designed a number of buildings and structures on the island.




We now return this hijacked TR back to its genial host who will have far more entertaining stories and pictures to share with all of us.
Speaking of hijacking . . . . . .thanks for sharing this info. As navy parents we are very interested in visiting Pearl Harbor. Although I went 30+ years ago, I know it will be a very different experience this time.

I see you're from "SC". Assuming that's South Carolina and not So Cal or some other place, I'll do a quick pitch for Patriot's Point. If you're from South Carolina, no doubt you've been, but I went there following my son's graduation from power school. Unbeknownst (how often do you get to use that word!) to me they had a memorial section and I was able to find the name of my uncle who is on "eternal patrol" somewhere in the Pacific. Very moving, very cool.


Scotty's dad: I'm loving your report and appreciate all you shared about Pearl Harbor, too.
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Speaking of hijacking . . . . . .thanks for sharing this info. As navy parents we are very interested in visiting Pearl Harbor. Although I went 30+ years ago, I know it will be a very different experience this time.

I see you're from "SC". Assuming that's South Carolina and not So Cal or some other place, I'll do a quick pitch for Patriot's Point. If you're from South Carolina, no doubt you've been, but I went there following my son's graduation from power school. Unbeknownst (how often do you get to use that word!) to me they had a memorial section and I was able to find the name of my uncle who is on "eternal patrol" somewhere in the Pacific. Very moving, very cool.


Scotty's dad: I'm loving your report and appreciate all you shared about Pearl Harbor, too.

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That would be South Carolina and I agree with you that Patriots point in one of the finer Navel museums around. I’m particularly looking forward to them being able to raise enough funds to break ground on their planed new building to house the current Medal of Honor memorial and museum.

Actually both Mark and I have written about our travels to that that very fine destination.
Mark’s experiences are related in his “Operation Big Thunder” TR
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2967974
in the “Check Point Patriot” chapter

My recent writings on it are in my “Non Disney” TR - “I should’a taken that left in Albuquerque”
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3047307
in parts of Chapter 3: “A Lack of Adult Supervision”

If you’re interested.


Not enough can be said for the effort that the folks down there put into maintaining that monument and learning center.

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That would be South Carolina and I agree with you that Patriots point in one of the finer Navel museums around. I’m particularly looking forward to them being able to raise enough funds to break ground on their planed new building to house the current Medal of Honor memorial and museum.

Actually both Mark and I have written about our travels to that that very fine destination.
Mark’s experiences are related in his “Operation Big Thunder” TR
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2967974
in the “Check Point Patriot” chapter

My recent writings on it are in my “Non Disney” TR - “I should’a taken that left in Albuquerque”
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3047307
in parts of Chapter 3: “A Lack of Adult Supervision”

If you’re interested.


Not enough can be said for the effort that the folks down there put into maintaining that monument and learning center.

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Thank you for the links -- off to read.

(We've also been to Battleship Cove in Massachusetts. My husband is an army brat ((and Vietnam vet)) and he enjoyed remembering sailing across the Pacific with his family on the way to Formosa, now Taiwan.)

Last time he was in Hawaii he was on R'n'R from his job with Uncle Sam.
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Great TR so far! Can't wait to read more. We were at Aulani last year, and will be going again next year. Your photos are great!

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Excellent update on Pearl Harbor. I appreciate the fact that my DW and I were able to visit this historic site on our honeymoon and intend to make sure that my childern visit someday as well.
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I finally found the time to read your very interesting update about Pearl Harbour.

The fascinating thing for me is that it is a WWII memorial that is not about the bad things my country did (or at least not directly related to it). It seems to be a very special place and a very well done memorial and museum. It will certainly be very high on my list of places to visit in Hawaii, so all your practical tips are very much appreciated!
Hope it helps you out! One interesting, less-discussed portion talks about some of the bad things my country did to Japanese-Americans during that time.

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And how annoying that people were not treating the memorial with the respect it deserves. Were there signs saying that people should not use their mobiles? In a few of the larger churches here in Europe that get lots of tourists visiting them that they actually have people (volunteers it seems) to go around and remind people of how to behave properly in a church. They even got me once, I am ashamed to admit. But if you are there with a million tourists, it is easy to forget where you are. So maybe that might be an option for the memorial as well?
There were statements on the park maps/brochures asking for proper decorum and respect, and I believe the Navy personnel made mention of it once or twice as well. I don't think there was anyone inside the memorial itself to help enforce the policy, though. I could be wrong on that.

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Well… then if it’s not stepping out of bounds, here’s a bit more of the story on the design of this fine monument (and it’s a good story).

The memorial was dedicated on Memorial Day, 1962. Per US Navy requirements, it spans the sunken hull of the battleship Arizona like a bridge without touching it. Visually the basic shape of a peak at either end connected by a “sag” in the center of the structure evokes two separate ideas. First it has the appearance of an out stretched white sail hovering above the waters of the harbor. Secondly that often criticized “sag” represents the height of American pride before the war, the sudden depression of the nation after the attack on December 7th, and the rise of American power to new heights after the war.

The architect describe it this way: “Wherein the structure sags in the center but stands strong and vigorous at the ends, expresses initial defeat and ultimate victory … The overall effect is one of serenity. Overtones of sadness have been omitted to permit the individual to contemplate his own personal responses … his innermost feelings.”

The central assembly room features seven large open “windows” on either wall that extend up and through the ceiling, to commemorate the date of the attack. The total number of openings is 21 to symbolically represents a 21 gun salute or 21 Marines standing at eternal parade rest over the tomb of the fallen sailors. The other major feature is the stylized Tree of Life design at one end; the end which represents America’s growth from loss and return to strength.

There is also an opening in the floor overlooking the sunken decks of the ship. From here visitors can pay their respects by dropping flowers in honor of the fallen sailors. Note that you should not drop leis in the water though, only flowers. This is because string from leis poses a hazard to sea-life. Leis are permitted on the guard rails located in front of the names of the fallen.

A little about the architect…
Alfred Preis was born and raised in Vienna, Austria. He left there in 1939 to escape the German annexation of his homeland and eventually settled in Honolulu. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, he was detained there for three months at the Sand Island Detainment Camp as part of the internment policy of Japanese and German Americans. Afterward he chose to remain in Hawaii and is known for having designed a number of buildings and structures on the island.
This is great stuff! Thanks for adding to the story.
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