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Old 03-17-2013, 10:33 AM   #1
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Minimum age of 14 to enter parks alone: Starts March 23rd

Looks like DIsney is finally worried a little about liability. What does everyone think, too young, too old?

Also, it does not say they need to be accompanied throughout the park, just that they need to be accompanied at admission...

http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/disney...lone-1C8910402
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:47 AM   #2
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It can't hurt, but as stated in the article, they will have no way of really knowing the ages-- unless they have it encoded in the pass-- which still could be misinformation given at the time of purchase--or unless the kid is like 8--
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:50 AM   #3
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I personally think that the policy should be based on the age that adult tickets are required. Bottom line is if someone has to pay the adult price, they should be treated as an adult.

So I see two viable options, lower the minimum age to match the current ticket policy or raise the child ticket age limit to 13 and under.

I can honestly envision some lawsuits if they don't match. I don't know who would win, but they cost money to defend, which in turn raises prices for everyone.

I can also see some issues, say that a 13 year old is at Disneyland with Mom and Dad. Mom decides to go DCA and Dad stays at DL. Now Dad has to leave to go to work, so the kid wants to join Mom, does that mean that Mom must now leave the park to come get the 13 year old, who is perfectly capable of switching parks?

Or what if this same group needs a locker and all of the lockers inside the parks are full (happens a lot during the summer). Now, lets say Mom and Dad have mobility issues or get hurt and are in first aid, but the kid needs to get something out of the locker. What happens in cases like this?

I can see this causing a lot more problems than just these. Additionally, I know many 14 year olds that shouldn't be left on their own and many 9 year olds tht would be perfectly fine.
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:05 AM   #4
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I can honestly envision some lawsuits if they don't match. I don't know who would win, but they cost money to defend, which in turn raises prices for everyone.
Disney would win, it would be a frivolous suit.

Disney can set ticket prices where ever they like, they could even charge more for a child's ticket than an adult ticket if they wish.

Or, they could simply charge the same for all tickets without regard to age. That is exactly what they've done with annual passes.

Ticket pricing has nothing to do with at what age a minor can enter the park unaccompanied.
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:18 AM   #5
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Disney would win, it would be a frivolous suit.

Disney can set ticket prices where ever they like, they could even charge more for a child's ticket than an adult ticket if they wish.

Or, they could simply charge the same for all tickets without regard to age. That is exactly what they've done with annual passes.

Ticket pricing has nothing to do with at what age a minor can enter the park unaccompanied.
I don't think it would be (see my perfectly legitimate examples of problems that could happen) and as I said, even if they win, they cost a lot to defend.
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I don't think it would be (see my perfectly legitimate examples of problems that could happen) and as I said, even if they win, they cost a lot to defend.
The loser could be ordered to pay the legal fees for the winner, costing Disney nothing.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:52 PM   #7
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The loser could be ordered to pay the legal fees for the winner, costing Disney nothing.
That rarely happens in the U.S., unless the courts consider it completely frivolous and in this situation I could see legitimate legal arguments being made, making it not frivolous, but still might not hold up.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:00 PM   #8
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i can see why some children would need an adult with them. disney should not be required to baby sit. and i have seen some parents leave the little ones to fin for themselves and the cms have to watch and some times help.

i do think it appropriate for the ticket price to be less if there are two people required. if two people rent a hotel room together, the price is cheaper. if one person rents the room alone they must pay more. makes sense to me.

at age 14 my grandson and his friend knew every inch of disney and could manage to route the best and most efficient transportation from one location to the next and even be able to meet us for dinner on time. i admit that we did insist that there be more than one of them (not be alone) and that they prove that they would behave respectful of disney property, employees and other guests. we would some times watch from a distance.
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I personally think that the policy should be based on the age that adult tickets are required. Bottom line is if someone has to pay the adult price, they should be treated as an adult.

So I see two viable options, lower the minimum age to match the current ticket policy or raise the child ticket age limit to 13 and under.

I can honestly envision some lawsuits if they don't match. I don't know who would win, but they cost money to defend, which in turn raises prices for everyone.

I can also see some issues, say that a 13 year old is at Disneyland with Mom and Dad. Mom decides to go DCA and Dad stays at DL. Now Dad has to leave to go to work, so the kid wants to join Mom, does that mean that Mom must now leave the park to come get the 13 year old, who is perfectly capable of switching parks?

Or what if this same group needs a locker and all of the lockers inside the parks are full (happens a lot during the summer). Now, lets say Mom and Dad have mobility issues or get hurt and are in first aid, but the kid needs to get something out of the locker. What happens in cases like this?

I can see this causing a lot more problems than just these. Additionally, I know many 14 year olds that shouldn't be left on their own and many 9 year olds tht would be perfectly fine.
Sounds like a great idea, so long as they change all the E ticket rides from a height restriction to an age restriction of over 14 years old
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:27 PM   #10
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The restriction on Fast rides has to do with the safety devices fitting properly and age has nothing to do with that. My kids will be 15 or older before they are allowed at Disney alone.
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Looks like DIsney is finally worried a little about liability. What does everyone think, too young, too old?

Also, it does not say they need to be accompanied throughout the park, just that they need to be accompanied at admission...


http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/disney...lone-1C8910402
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:10 AM   #12
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That rarely happens in the U.S., unless the courts consider it completely frivolous and in this situation I could see legitimate legal arguments being made, making it not frivolous, but still might not hold up.
Disney is private property. Disney is entitled to set age rules. Do you know of any federal or Florida law which specifically prohibits Disneys new policy? Baring such a rule/law the suit would be thrown out. Might even be considered frivolous. Your contrived examples aren't legal reasons why the policy is illegal. You list some cases where it might not be convenient. There is a federal law prohibiting age discrimination in employment with respect to employees age 40 and over. What law do you think Disney is violating?

Wasn't there an issue in California with kids with SPs using Disney asr after school day care / activity?

I suspect enforcement will be spoty.

Many hotels won't rent a room to a guest under 21. Many dinner shows include adult beverages. Guests under 21 aren't always charged a lower price. Many malls have age limits.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:33 AM   #13
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A bit much

Its really a bit much. The parks are super safe. There are many kids thats are totally capable of jumping on Disney Transport and going to a park without their parents when they want to do something a bit different than the family.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:54 AM   #14
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I think there's a big difference between "entering alone" and "being on their own inside the park". I had no problem letting my 13 & 10 year old wander the parks by themselves, but we were also brought them to the park and were in the parks also. It's not like we told them to just go jump on the bus and go by themselves. Although, now that the oldest will be 16 I would have no problem letting her go by herself.
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:18 AM   #15
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I think it is perfectly reasonable and well within their right. No matter how well behaved your kids are with you, that is not necessarily a reflection of how they will be on their own. Disney cannot be responsible for the liability of non adults running around the park. Further, it would potentially disturb other guests.

When people bristle at these rules, their immediate thought goes to "but my kids..." If that's too difficult for you to wrap your brain around, spend another moment thinking about the worst kids you've encountered from another family. If that doesn't work, just think of it this way - Disney wants your kids to have a safe experience, and they know that the best people to assure that are their parents.
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