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Old 02-21-2013, 06:00 PM   #31
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Dean, I am amazed on how well you write and how you put thoughts to paper. Not to many people can do that! I know I can't.
I thank you and I try including proof reading generally. I know there are others that do better than I in expressing their thoughts. I can get wordy and technical at times but I've gotten better overall in this area and I've ceased trying to convince people (sometimes) and just let them know my opinion and let it speak for itself where applicable.

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Ok, can I jump in and ask a question regarding the thread title?

Say I bought or rented one of the e-bay offerings with the $95 fee. Who would collect this money? The ads say that you have to pay it to Disney upon check-in but it seems like these transactions are frowned upon and I would be too worried that my planned/paid for vacation would evaporate.

How do people who trade in with RCI and use it themselves pay this fee? Do they write a check or use a credit card at the front desk or do they send it in advance?
The rule used to be to pay ahead of time though they would take it at check in, they now only take it at check in. The fee goes to DVD ultimately.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:56 AM   #32
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...sorry, but been busy with other matters.

...will i be, dean is your name? i just thought a reference to a
personal accomplishments.

i have read many of your posts, & already realized you are sincere
& offering concrete advice..even when there/their misunderstandings.

yes, i haven't seen anything that has effected my opinions about
the ongoing problems with dvc management. ( just because they
are adding "postings" restrictions does not take away the abuses. )
however,
i didn't mean to give the idea that there shouldn't be fringe
benefits for workers....it just when the levels changed those that
"paid" & are denied - there should be interventions. nor did ever
thought those taking advantage of , have any intentions of doing wrong.
i was suggesting that the numbers of incidents-and the type of things
some of the things they are doing...dvc should already be responding
with corrective actions.

when i look @ the problems being posted, wow...i like to be an
insider where i could do some changes. from my observations,
the solutions are endless. at the very least, there should be a
separate group that do not have any conflict of interests.

the big picture for me, is this only pertains to our vacation dollars.
while we enjoy our vacations, there are more important matters.

i also have interests in the things effecting our country well-being.
the major problems we have are concerning to the directions
we are currently using. but for all the problems effecting our well being,
there are solutions if "real" problem solving is added. things that
can promote health & success, are the same things we already
know. but they do no good when they are ignored or forgotten.

reader digest did a great story about cheating in college. it has
more value than most recognize....think about roles that we
depend on....like a doctor, that never learn their trade...&
are making life & death decisions?
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:25 AM   #33
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...sorry, but been busy with other matters.

...will i be, dean is your name? i just thought a reference to a
personal accomplishments.

i have read many of your posts, & already realized you are sincere
& offering concrete advice..even when there/their misunderstandings.

yes, i haven't seen anything that has effected my opinions about
the ongoing problems with dvc management. ( just because they
are adding "postings" restrictions does not take away the abuses. )
however,
i didn't mean to give the idea that there shouldn't be fringe
benefits for workers....it just when the levels changed those that
"paid" & are denied - there should be interventions. nor did ever
thought those taking advantage of , have any intentions of doing wrong.
i was suggesting that the numbers of incidents-and the type of things
some of the things they are doing...dvc should already be responding
with corrective actions.

when i look @ the problems being posted, wow...i like to be an
insider where i could do some changes. from my observations,
the solutions are endless. at the very least, there should be a
separate group that do not have any conflict of interests.

the big picture for me, is this only pertains to our vacation dollars.
while we enjoy our vacations, there are more important matters.

i also have interests in the things effecting our country well-being.
the major problems we have are concerning to the directions
we are currently using. but for all the problems effecting our well being,
there are solutions if "real" problem solving is added. things that
can promote health & success, are the same things we already
know. but they do no good when they are ignored or forgotten.

reader digest did a great story about cheating in college. it has
more value than most recognize....think about roles that we
depend on....like a doctor, that never learn their trade...&
are making life & death decisions?
Thanks, a much more understandable post, than you. The only things I'll say are that I don't see abuses or insiders taking advantage of the system. What I do see is members using the system as it's set up and to their advantage. That's a big difference and the way ALL systems work. Those that put the work into understanding and playing by the rules get the most out of ANY system.

It seems you feel that DVD/DVC is in control of this forum, I do not believe that's the case. Assuming you're referring to the fact that DIS does not allow postings outside the DVC rules, there are other reasons. I assume there are at least 2 reasons, preventing encouraging others to violate the rules and those type of threads tend to get testy quickly. I would appreciate it if you spell out the "ongoing problems with DVC management" and the areas where you think there are inappropriate abuses of the system. I just don't see it. There certainly are things I would change were I in charge but to be honest, most are system oriented aimed at cost/fee saving and not individual member friendly otherwise.

Having read your posts over the past few years I remain convinced you see problems and conspiracies where there are none. My guess/impression is it stems from some misunderstanding related to your purchase and you're still bitter about it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:01 AM   #34
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DVC/DVD/Disney does not control our forums in any way. The moderators and webmasters (all volunteers) work together to establish and enforce our posting guidelines and we do review and comment on them "off stage" whenever one of us feels like any of them need to be changed or clarified. As far as the Rent/Trade board, our posting rules were on every DIS DVC related board for several months and open to all comments before taking effect in February 2010. There has only been one minor change since that time, the addition of the gold and premium payment options.

As far as posts suggesting/discussing ways to bypass established and published DVC rules, that rule has been in place almost as long as I've been a moderator on these forums. And wouldn't it be a disservice to all fellow DVC Members to have a forum that would say how to sneak additional guests over the stated occupancy into the rooms, how to cheat on the Dining Plans (especially as the plans are completely optional) and so on?

As far as walking a reservation, I personally do not like the practice, but there is nothing in the current DVC booking rules that forbids it, nothing that forbids renting (in fact all of our documents say we have that right), nothing that forbids the use of a rental broker by a member and nothing that forbids booking rooms right at the 11 month window solely for speculative rentals. In fact, our DVC Rent/Trade board frowns on that practice, and we require the purchase of a fairly expensive membership to offer an existing booked reservation outside the 30 day window...and we further limit such offerings to 3 per 12 month period, even with the Premium level membership.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Disney/DVC has not lived up to the terms of their contractual obligations to owners. I do not see evidence of Disney hoarding rooms for cash, employee use or giveaways. If you're talking about things outside those contracts, like discounts and perks, there is no questions that those can disappear at anytime.

As far as RCI or II, our contracts state that having such trading options are not guaranteed, but that DVC will make every effort to maintain a relationship with a trading partner. Disney and DVC no doubt looks at what the major players have to offer, and makes their decision about which company to use based on several factors...but no matter which company they choose to trade with, DVC has to work within that company's infrastructure and trading rules.

Personally, I'd like to see Member Services have less of a role in RCI transactions and for each individual member to have their own RCI membership, if desired. I also think having access to all the RCI resorts, rather than just the upper tier resorts, would be good. But the RCI/DVC interface is what it is. It is doubtful DVC would ever give members full access. The first time a member not familiar with trading were to trade to a less than desirable location, no doubt the internet would be ablaze with their complaints, demanding a refund of their DVC points and protection from DVC. Thus we have the limited selection of RCI resorts from which to choose and a DVC corporate RCI membership.
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Old 03-02-2013, 02:23 AM   #35
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i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:23 AM   #36
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i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?
I'm sorry but I have hardly any idea what you just said and even less how it pertains to what we've been discussing here. Unless you want to post specific problems or concerns, I personally don't see any reason to continue this particular discussion and I think most everyone else is long gone.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:31 AM   #37
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i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?

i also understand the dvc system better since coming here
and paying attention.

i am not discourage because there are problems but the
major trends have me looking who benefiting from the neglect.

i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

i look @ your conclusion & can see the reasoning that gave
the impression. fyi, i only posted the things we experienced
during our first year. please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence. i plan on being caution whenever we
are using our dvc. however, that isn't to say that dvc
hasn't done effective problem solving...but my goal is-
in hoping- there are some administration changes so
these types of problems do not happen in the first place.

what a very cool idea "chuck s"..about rci,

i don't have any special insights within the disney company,
but i do socializing with many working for, & they have
expressed disney used the "boards" here as a resource.
when i think about how much i have learn here, i view
this as being very savory & smart. and i am hoping they
are reading this one.

and finally to clear up some of the confusion i am responsible
for. sorry. i thought my expressions were defined being
my personal feelings on the values i rely on. they are my guides
that i am using ever day. but i also "add" my professional
skills , simply because they work & they are focusing on
problem solving/corrective measures. ( promoting good
health & well being). sometimes i have shared some of
the postings with my fellow colleagues...however, just want
to post...it's ok not to agreed.

...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?
ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers. the thing is, one does not have
the "need" to have the whole world liking them. all one
really "needs" , is just to have a few others that value their
well being & respecting their feelings.

oh, don't know too much about the rci resorts, but some
co-workers expressed some pia conditions @ las vegas.
like extra charges for using any of the facilities-pool &
so forth.

i like to share my view on faith. isn't that what one truly
feels inside their heart?
I am still here and I did not insult your English. I merely suggested that English may not be your first language. I did this because your posts are nearly impossible to understand at times. This is due to the incorrect syntax, grammatical errors, incorrect tense usage, and many other errors. With that said, you are still entitled to your opinion. Personally, I am just having trouble understanding what that opinion is.

It is clear you think that there is something wrong with how DVC does its business and that you attribute it to intentional wrong doing. However, without you giving very specific examples with all the information clearly stated a discussion concerning them is pointless.

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I have questions and comments inside the quote (that I've edited to be clear about what I am referring to with my questions/comments).

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i do notice things when they keep repeating &
i am wondering why dvc are ignoring problems that are
costing them/owners money?


What things do you see that keep repeating? What do you think DVC is ignoring? Why do you get the impression DVC is ignoring things? What problems are causing owners money?


i don't know it is even possible, but i wish owners could
find out the qualifications of dvc workers so certain
questions could be ask, to a quality assurance office-
that is not connected to dvc directly. since joining,
we have learn not to take them for granted.

What DVC workers are you concerned with? Why do you not trust QA set up by the company?



please be advised - we have continue
to be plagued with issues . and if you knew the implications,
would change your understanding & why i haven't given
dvc my confidence.


What on earth has happened with your use of DVC, with your vacations, that has caused these feelings? It would help SO much if you would lay it all out, instead of hint at things that *no one knows about*.

We've had troubles on our vacations, like the recent 2 hours it took to put charging on our account at SSR, which was solely done in order to access the compensation they offered us for other issues. But it doesn't make us think that there's a conspiracy, or problems with anything other than what they tell us there are problems with. At every new check-in we have expectations that it will all be fine going forward.

So what has happened on YOUR vacations?




...i did think it was interesting that a poster , i have never met,
took it as an opportunity to insult my english. & if he didn't
see it as english, wondering what other things he was seeing?


You use partial sentences. You don't capitalize. You write like you are talking, but if you were saying what you were saying to my face, I would be interrupting to ask tons of questions to figure out what you mean. You have been told many times that your posts are VERY difficult to understand, but you've never changed your style. At this point you're going to have to understand that many people have a VERY hard time understanding what you're saying, and that doesn't even take into account the hints that you make about problems and reasons for problems.


ok...enough joking, but after all- psych. does it with feelings,
however, on a serious observation--i 've seen
this type repeated here when there are secret agenda...
maybe he is dvc owner ..or just rci .....could've been a renter.
nahh, with such a strong expression, i am betting he was an
owner with cm powers.

With that last paragraph I quoted, please, what are you talking about? You are the one I've seen consistently hinting at things, hinting at agendas, wondering who people are, etc. Now it seems you are saying that others make those hints? Who are you talking about that might be an owner, might be RCI, might be a renter? I don't understand.


Like Dean, I continue to read your posts because I want to understand. From what I've gleaned, your family and mine joined at around the same time. I had a great guide, but I don't think you did. We've had problems (that I've talked plainly about a lot LOL, and some don't feel we've actually had problems) but we don't distrust the system; you've had mysterious problems that you hint at. We would LIKE to know about them, specifically. It would help to understand the problems and where you're coming from.


Also, your first reply to this was about how DVC isn't stopping naughty things from happening. But so many of the posts here, after explaining what the fee is and when it would be collected, talked about how RCI probably *would* catch such a rental and put a stop to it. Just because we see a rental offered doesn't mean the person who goes to check-in at the hotel will be allowed to check-in, if it's not a bonafide reservation done right.

Just like we have no right to know what a CC company does when they catch fraud on our account (b/c they are compensating us, and it's not our money being taken), we have no right to know what RCI and DVC does with people being naughty. Since we have no right to know it, we don't end up knowing it. But just because we don't see it happening doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I'm sure they catch problems all the time. We just aren't privy to the information.
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