Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

[xmansmom]

Originally Posted by sixteen

If you want to return them, please do and I can either swap them out or refund your purchase. I am more than happy to do what you would like to satisfy you.


Thanks,
Pat Jones
423disneypinfreak

Oddly enough, I just received some pins from this same seller. I suspected they were fake so came here to do a little research. I noticed that she takes returns but you have to pay return shipping and pay a restocking fee. I sent a msg. and am interested to see if I get the same response. What I get from reading your response is that she has looked into Disney policy, knows they won't say anything to you, and is peddling fakes knowing full well that it is wrong. Technically when she says 100% tradable she is being honest but the listing says "Official trading pins". They are obviously NOT official. "I have personally bought thousands of pins from Disney and traded for 10s of thousands of more in the parks" So does this mean she admits that she has traded more than she has actually purchased from Disney? Unbelievable!!!

[RCEliot]

Do you guys think that $18 each for the Toddler Princess and Toddler Boys sets is fair? I found someone selling each of them, in the package, but they state that

"These pins were bought here on ebay and I cannot guarantee that they are completely authentic, however seeing as they are in the package with the original price on them I assume that they are."

They have other pins listed too. A set labeled as being definite scrappers bought through ebay auctions and am assortment that they say
"THE ONLY PINS IN THIS LOT THAT I CAN SAY ARE AUTHENTIC DISNEY PINS ARE THE PHILIP, MALEFICENT, AND JEDI PINS AS I GOT THEM FROM THE PARK MYSELF (PAID FOR, NOT TRADED).
THE PIN WITH CHIP AND DALE IN THE PLANE WAS GOTTEN AT A GARAGE SALE IN FLORIDA AND IS MORE THAN LIKELY REAL BUT CANNOT BE CONFIRMED AT THIS TIME.

THE OTHER PINS CANNOT BE DETERMINED AS AUTHENTIC AT THIS TIME. THEY WERE GOTTEN THROUGH TRADING AND BUYING HERE ON EBAY. THEY DO NOT HAVE OBVIOUS DIPS, BRUSH STROKES, BACKSTAMP ERRORS, OR COLOURATION ISSUES FROM WHAT I CAN TELL (I am new to this and it is possible that I overlooked something.)"

I mean, at least they're honest but I don't know... They want $16 for the "maybe real" ones and $5 for the scrappers.

Has anyone done business with them before? Their name is "yoruthewulf." I'm going to message them and see what they say, but, yeah, anyways.

[SupernaturalMommy]

Originally Posted by RCEliot

Do you guys think that $18 each for the Toddler Princess and Toddler Boys sets is fair? I found someone selling each of them, in the package, but they state that

"These pins were bought here on ebay and I cannot guarantee that they are completely authentic, however seeing as they are in the package with the original price on them I assume that they are."

They have other pins listed too. A set labeled as being definite scrappers bought through ebay auctions and am assortment that they say
"THE ONLY PINS IN THIS LOT THAT I CAN SAY ARE AUTHENTIC DISNEY PINS ARE THE PHILIP, MALEFICENT, AND JEDI PINS AS I GOT THEM FROM THE PARK MYSELF (PAID FOR, NOT TRADED).
THE PIN WITH CHIP AND DALE IN THE PLANE WAS GOTTEN AT A GARAGE SALE IN FLORIDA AND IS MORE THAN LIKELY REAL BUT CANNOT BE CONFIRMED AT THIS TIME.

THE OTHER PINS CANNOT BE DETERMINED AS AUTHENTIC AT THIS TIME. THEY WERE GOTTEN THROUGH TRADING AND BUYING HERE ON EBAY. THEY DO NOT HAVE OBVIOUS DIPS, BRUSH STROKES, BACKSTAMP ERRORS, OR COLOURATION ISSUES FROM WHAT I CAN TELL (I am new to this and it is possible that I overlooked something.)"

I mean, at least they're honest but I don't know... They want $16 for the "maybe real" ones and $5 for the scrappers.

Has anyone done business with them before? Their name is "yoruthewulf." I'm going to message them and see what they say, but, yeah, anyways.

If you want those toddler pins, you can get them cheaper. PM me if you want. But, that is a good, fair price. I just bought someone's collection - all real authentic still on card pins. And those pins were in it. There was a set of Princess Booster and a set of Prince in BOX - the older release of the set. I can't list the transaction here because it was not an eBay thing, but someone getting rid of their collection that I got lucky to find here.

[SupernaturalMommy]

OK. I used the eBay app the other day to buy something. The app does not have the advanced functionality of the full site, at least not on my device. You can't look at the feedback except by scrolling though all of it... its not clickable to see what the specific complaints were. Also, you can't search completed auctions by seller to see if they are selling the same thing over and over. I have emails set up to notify me of certain things, and obviously when I click on those links, you see other things, and the Princess shoes caught my eye. I have 3 packages direct from Disney, and I traded for one shoe when I was at the park 2 months ago. I expected to see a lot more of those since they are one of the best deals on park pins. But, I couldn't find them anywhere. I wanted them for something specific without opening my sealed packs.

So, stupid me buys a set of loose princess shoe pins that "were traded for" from (yikes) disneyfamily801. The auction was ending in moments and at that very time they had no other sets listed and so I decided to take a chance not having access to this thread and the eBay app at the same time. I knew the name seemed familiar to me but I just wasn't sure. BIG MISTAKE!

Finally get my pins in the mail - it was actually well packaged and prompt shipping. I can't complain about that part of the transaction. But, they were definitely scrappers. VERY GOOD scrappers. Only 1 had a slight divot, barely any sign of brush strokes, and only a slight border on the back on one edge of the pin. An average person would never know. But, I pulled out my legit ones and compared side by side and sure enough, scrapper. Then I looked at their history as I tried to decide what to do and saw they sold 40 sets in the last 10 days alone. I didn't go any further. I knew I didn't need to

So, I wrote a very polite message to call them out on it because they do accept returns and said that I didn't feel I should have to return them at my expense because they were fake. If I had changed my mind I would be willing to pay return shipping, but since they were counterfeit I didn't feel like I should be out ANY money. I had already read their nasty responses to feedback people put out, so I covered all my bases by stating things that would not give them room to make any of those same comments to me. I told them I wanted an amicable resolution but if one could not be reached then appropriate feedback would be left and I would be going through the eBay or Paypal dispute process and possibly making a chargeback on my credit card.

Here is their response:

Hi,
I have traded for these pins over the last couple of months. I also purchased a few sets to compare the traded pins with. I believe that these pins are authentic but respect your opinion. I would appreciate your thoughts on how to have an amicable resolution.
Also, I have a large family with many living in the LA area. Therefore we are able to go the parks several times a week. Also, my sister just left with her family for WDW.
We have been pin trading and selling on ebay for a long time. Customer satisfaction is important to our family business.
I await your reply.
CJ

Please tell me how someone who lives in Salt Lake City, Utah goes to Anaheim several times per week?

[sixteen]

Can someone please explain to me how the mini pins work re: trading.

Is a mini = a regular-sized pin, or do you need to trade a mini for a mini, or are the minis considered a set and only tradable as a set?

I am looking to buy a lot of 25 from bizzibee1, but it looks like I could end up with a bunch of minis..... Would I be better off only looking for sets of regularly sized pins?

Thanks.... I'm new to this!

[DarthTod]

Originally Posted by sixteen

Can someone please explain to me how the mini pins work re: trading.

Is a mini = a regular-sized pin, or do you need to trade a mini for a mini, or are the minis considered a set and only tradable as a set?

I am looking to buy a lot of 25 from bizzibee1, but it looks like I could end up with a bunch of minis..... Would I be better off only looking for sets of regularly sized pins?

Thanks.... I'm new to this!

A pin is a pin, but don't expect everyone to trade that giant pin with spinners for a smaller one, unless they're a CM . I just bought one of those sets from her, very happy with what I got.

[davedmaine]

Originally Posted by SupernaturalMommy

OK. I used the eBay app the other day to buy something. The app does not have the advanced functionality of the full site, at least not on my device. You can't look at the feedback except by scrolling though all of it... its not clickable to see what the specific complaints were. Also, you can't search completed auctions by seller to see if they are selling the same thing over and over. I have emails set up to notify me of certain things, and obviously when I click on those links, you see other things, and the Princess shoes caught my eye. I have 3 packages direct from Disney, and I traded for one shoe when I was at the park 2 months ago. I expected to see a lot more of those since they are one of the best deals on park pins. But, I couldn't find them anywhere. I wanted them for something specific without opening my sealed packs.

So, stupid me buys a set of loose princess shoe pins that "were traded for" from (yikes) disneyfamily801. The auction was ending in moments and at that very time they had no other sets listed and so I decided to take a chance not having access to this thread and the eBay app at the same time. I knew the name seemed familiar to me but I just wasn't sure. BIG MISTAKE!

Finally get my pins in the mail - it was actually well packaged and prompt shipping. I can't complain about that part of the transaction. But, they were definitely scrappers. VERY GOOD scrappers. Only 1 had a slight divot, barely any sign of brush strokes, and only a slight border on the back on one edge of the pin. An average person would never know. But, I pulled out my legit ones and compared side by side and sure enough, scrapper. Then I looked at their history as I tried to decide what to do and saw they sold 40 sets in the last 10 days alone. I didn't go any further. I knew I didn't need to

So, I wrote a very polite message to call them out on it because they do accept returns and said that I didn't feel I should have to return them at my expense because they were fake. If I had changed my mind I would be willing to pay return shipping, but since they were counterfeit I didn't feel like I should be out ANY money. I had already read their nasty responses to feedback people put out, so I covered all my bases by stating things that would not give them room to make any of those same comments to me. I told them I wanted an amicable resolution but if one could not be reached then appropriate feedback would be left and I would be going through the eBay or Paypal dispute process and possibly making a chargeback on my credit card.

Here is their response:

Hi,
I have traded for these pins over the last couple of months. I also purchased a few sets to compare the traded pins with. I believe that these pins are authentic but respect your opinion. I would appreciate your thoughts on how to have an amicable resolution.
Also, I have a large family with many living in the LA area. Therefore we are able to go the parks several times a week. Also, my sister just left with her family for WDW.
We have been pin trading and selling on ebay for a long time. Customer satisfaction is important to our family business.
I await your reply.
CJ

Please tell me how someone who lives in Salt Lake City, Utah goes to Anaheim several times per week?

Seems like the red flags were there.. You shouldn't have bought them

[SupernaturalMommy]

Originally Posted by davedmaine

Seems like the red flags were there.. You shouldn't have bought them

Actually, no, the red flags weren't there. That was my point. Don't use the eBay app... it sucks for stuff like this. Can't click on feedback the way you can on the computer. Can't look at completed listings. Can't do a lot of things I normally do from the computer. They didn't have another set listed at the time, and I know people who have traded for them.

If I had been in front of the computer I would not have bought from them. But, no matter as I am returning them. Sadly they will just re-sell them, but I am not going to eat the money. I did way too much of that when I didn't know what scrappers were and I have buckets of them that are useless.

On the other hand, just bought a pin from kiljoy667 and it was perfect. I have not bought from them before. I was after a specific pin and just searched for the lowest price on eBay. But, it is flawless and legit and completes my set. Fast shipment and well packaged as well. Same goes for a pin from scubapro5.

[RCEliot]

Originally Posted by SupernaturalMommy

OK. I used the eBay app the other day to buy something. The app does not have the advanced functionality of the full site, at least not on my device. You can't look at the feedback except by scrolling though all of it... its not clickable to see what the specific complaints were. Also, you can't search completed auctions by seller to see if they are selling the same thing over and over. I have emails set up to notify me of certain things, and obviously when I click on those links, you see other things, and the Princess shoes caught my eye. I have 3 packages direct from Disney, and I traded for one shoe when I was at the park 2 months ago. I expected to see a lot more of those since they are one of the best deals on park pins. But, I couldn't find them anywhere. I wanted them for something specific without opening my sealed packs.

So, stupid me buys a set of loose princess shoe pins that "were traded for" from (yikes) disneyfamily801. The auction was ending in moments and at that very time they had no other sets listed and so I decided to take a chance not having access to this thread and the eBay app at the same time. I knew the name seemed familiar to me but I just wasn't sure. BIG MISTAKE!

Finally get my pins in the mail - it was actually well packaged and prompt shipping. I can't complain about that part of the transaction. But, they were definitely scrappers. VERY GOOD scrappers. Only 1 had a slight divot, barely any sign of brush strokes, and only a slight border on the back on one edge of the pin. An average person would never know. But, I pulled out my legit ones and compared side by side and sure enough, scrapper. Then I looked at their history as I tried to decide what to do and saw they sold 40 sets in the last 10 days alone. I didn't go any further. I knew I didn't need to

So, I wrote a very polite message to call them out on it because they do accept returns and said that I didn't feel I should have to return them at my expense because they were fake. If I had changed my mind I would be willing to pay return shipping, but since they were counterfeit I didn't feel like I should be out ANY money. I had already read their nasty responses to feedback people put out, so I covered all my bases by stating things that would not give them room to make any of those same comments to me. I told them I wanted an amicable resolution but if one could not be reached then appropriate feedback would be left and I would be going through the eBay or Paypal dispute process and possibly making a chargeback on my credit card.

Here is their response:

Hi,
I have traded for these pins over the last couple of months. I also purchased a few sets to compare the traded pins with. I believe that these pins are authentic but respect your opinion. I would appreciate your thoughts on how to have an amicable resolution.
Also, I have a large family with many living in the LA area. Therefore we are able to go the parks several times a week. Also, my sister just left with her family for WDW.
We have been pin trading and selling on ebay for a long time. Customer satisfaction is important to our family business.
I await your reply.
CJ

Please tell me how someone who lives in Salt Lake City, Utah goes to Anaheim several times per week?

I know what you mean with the really good fakes. I have the Snow White shoe and it is PERFECT. You'd think it's the real thing... until you notice that on one edge there is a blotch of paint. That's literally the only thing wrong with the entire pin. Ugh. But I'm keeping it. I don't plan to do pin trading unless it's with pins I buy from the parks myself, so having completed sets of scrappers doesn't bother me so much.

I'd say you just make the appropriate cases and demand a refund from them. They're just like every other scrapper seller and are going to "stand behind" their pins and be completely rude when confronted.

[RCEliot]

OH, I almost forgot: I got a response from yoruthewulf.

My message to her just asked generally about why she's selling the pins, where she got them (the ones she says are real) etc.

Her response:

Hi! First of all, I'd like to thank you for contacting me about the concerns you have towards the authenticity of the pins I'm selling.

As I've stated in the the descriptions, I bought all but four of my pins through ebay users here-and-there and everywhere at super cheap prices. Expecting the worst, I made sure to check every single pin against pinpics, and I carefully looked for dips, dings, brush strokes, color issues, and all that jazz. The ones in my scrapper auction I can say with certainty are scrappers because the majority of them have big dips in them, some of them have very horrible coloring, and many are just plain wrong, hence is why I've listed them as scrappers.

As for the auction where I included real ones with ones that I can only assume, based on my limited knowledge, are real, I've checked each and every one of the ones that I didn't get personally at the park against pinpics as well. From what I can see, there's nothing wrong with the color of any of them, and there are no visible dings. I've only been collecting for a few months now, so my knowledge is very limited, because of which I have stated that the only ones I know for a fact are real are the Philip, Maleficent, and Jedi pins, and I'm 95% sure that the Chip and Dale one is real because I bought it from a garage sale in Daytona Beach (where I live). I still could be wrong, which is why it's not included with the other three (it also has sharpie on it, which was entirely my bad.)

On the matter of the Toddler pins, I bought those here on ebay as well, and they were listed as new, on the card, and in the original plastic packaging. From what I can tell (without opening them) they are real and everything seems authentic in the sense that it does have the original sticker on the package and everything is all sealed up. Working against the glare of the plastic, I haven't been able to see any dips or problems, and I don't plan to remove the plastic only to find that they are, in fact, real and end up lowering the value of a brand new in-package set. I have stated that I can't be sure that they are authentic, because I did not purchase them from the park myself, so there's that. I only just got them, but I paid more than I really wanted to ($20 for the Princess set, $10 for the Boys) because I was hoping to get to keep the set, but I have to resell them and get my money back, and more, because the Spring semester has just started and I've spent so much money on pins in the last few months that I was unable to afford any classes and am now selling things at a desperate rate to get 2 classes in the Spring semester B (starts in March.)

I'm aware that selling pins for low(er) prices is suspicious, but I assure you that I have no intentions of passing off pins that I, myself, did not buy as authentic when I cannot be sure that they are, I'm just trying to make some money so I can go to school.

I thank you again for contacting me about your concerns, and I hope you have a nice day.

Regards,
YtW

Seems pretty straightforward and sincere, but I can't help thinking that she's just a bit of an idiot. I mean, come on, she spent her college money on Disney pins? I know some of us get carried away when we're buying things on ebay, but you think she'd be smarter than that if she's in college.

[SupernaturalMommy]

Originally Posted by RCEliot

Seems pretty straightforward and sincere, but I can't help thinking that she's just a bit of an idiot. I mean, come on, she spent her college money on Disney pins? I know some of us get carried away when we're buying things on ebay, but you think she'd be smarter than that if she's in college.

Lol. I was thinking that when I read it, but it is addicting, and you'd be surprised what I have seen people give up in order to get their Disney pin fix. Plus, you never know. Maybe she had some unexpected expense come up that made her regret buying the pins. I've had that happen... Buy a bunch of pins and then boom, the car breaks down and now you have to scrounge to get that fixed. That's part of why I am selling off a portion of my collection. I way over collected and it got to be too much so now I am sticking to certain themes and characters to keep it under control. Otherwise I spend way too much on pins. I was very proud of myself last trip. I only had one bag of pins to come home with. I've come home with a whole suitcase in the past.

[Mom2OakandEm]

Has anyone ever purchased from ebay seller brandnamestuff?

[SupernaturalMommy]

Originally Posted by Mom2OakandEm

Has anyone ever purchased from ebay seller brandnamestuff?

I have. The stuff I got was new in package. I bought booster packs and had no trouble trading them at the park. Came with original price tag on them and still sealed. I really liked them and saved them to my favorite sellers, but I have noticed their prices have gone up from over the summer.

[RCEliot]

Just got in my pin I ordered from Disneyatmidnight.

It seems real, I don't see anything that tells me otherwise (comparing it to the real one I have and they're practically twins) so it's either a really good fake, or real.

I have issues with them, though.

I paid for my pin on Dec. 31st and they only just shipped it last week after I opened a case and got refunded (but they sent it anyways????) and when I got the package it had a note asking me to leave them 5 stars, a brochure for Hollywood Studios, and a business card asking me to rent their house (which is "just 3 miles from Walt Disney World!").

Like... what?

[SupernaturalMommy]

Originally Posted by RCEliot

Just got in my pin I ordered from Disneyatmidnight.

It seems real, I don't see anything that tells me otherwise (comparing it to the real one I have and they're practically twins) so it's either a really good fake, or real.

I have issues with them, though.

I paid for my pin on Dec. 31st and they only just shipped it last week after I opened a case and got refunded (but they sent it anyways????) and when I got the package it had a note asking me to leave them 5 stars, a brochure for Hollywood Studios, and a business card asking me to rent their house (which is "just 3 miles from Walt Disney World!").

Like... what?

I've gotten a lot of business cards but never to rent a house. Usually just to hire them to be my personal WDW shopper.

Are you sure they hadn't mailed it before you opened the case? eBay rarely ever finds in favor of the seller so you would have won even if they had mailed it and it had not been delivered yet. eBay thinks a package has to be delivered in 4 days for it to be a good transaction. They don't care if the post office sits on a package. I sent something back in October to someone and had it hand delivered to the post office within 2 hours of payment. 10 days later the buyer messaged me asking where it was. I went to the post office because there was zero record the package existed. It had not one single scan on it. I had to open a case with the US Postmaster. 2 days later I get a call from the post office that they found it and it was on its way. It had been sitting in the post office I mailed it from the whole time, even after I went in and the post office gave me all kinds of crap that I must have screwed up and short paid on postage and they won't ship it and there is nothing I can do and I need to go to the next town over to get it (even though I didn't mail it in the next town over and when I went to the next town over they referred me to the US Postmaster). Luckily the buer didn't open a case against me, and left me positive feedback, but they nailed my stars. Most buyers don't know just how NOT anonymous those are, despite what eBay claims.