Monthly ROFR Data - UPDATED 05/07/2013

[Missyrose]

Originally Posted by Aladdin72

My wife and I just purchased Direct at SSR for 175 pts with a March UY yesterday. That said, we went and did the tour (mainly for the fast passes), but at the end did exactly what was posted. Left our CC # with the intent if they received a contract we would buy. that was on Thursday 11/8, and we closed yesterday. we looked at several resale locations and the financing options as well for the purchase. The incredible thing was, because we bought and dictated our purchase location and use year we received our current year's(2012) points (and we have 2 weeks to decide to bank or use) and will receive our upcoming year's points obviously. We have a first payment due in Feb, and put down 15% to cover the 7 weeks of dues. Our monthly payment (10yr financing, but our finances will allow us to pay it off in Aug 2013), include the annual dues over 12 months. With us banking the points we essentially received 350 pts for March 2013 use, paid 55/pt, with the full benefits entitled.

This was by far cheaper than the currently listed prices of most regales at SSR for 63+ /pt, with no ROFR issues or anything.

I have to say I am extremely happy with this and will purchase our next round in Nov 2013 at OKW for 200 Pts and same UY. There was no downside to this purchase, you just have to be smart on the time to buy, make your intents known for what you want in terms of pts and UY and they (Disney) will accommodate you.

Originally Posted by silmarg

Ugh... I think the buy direct price is $110/pt for SSR

Originally Posted by dvcterry

I thought it was $115. I was talking with my guide today about the different resorts. But don't quote me on it. But yeah $115 is what I was told. Then the prices are due to go up on Dec. 19.

Originally Posted by mommyarewegoingback

Question. Did you tell them how much wanted to pay? How did you get the $55? Thanks!

-Virginia

Originally Posted by mommyarewegoingback

I guess because I'd like to try the same and I'm at wdw now. Maybe if u could even pm me the contact? Please...
-Virginia

Originally Posted by z28wiz

I really don't see how you bought direct for 55 per point. What was the total cost you paid on your contract before your down payment?

Just want to make sure everyone lurking on this thread is clear, Aladdin72 did NOT pay $55 per point for SSR. He has mistakenly (on at least a couple of different threads now) put forth a formula that says since he got his 2012 points in addition to the upcoming 2013 points, that MUST mean he only paid half the price per point. And clearly, that isn't how it works.

Now if Disney was giving Aladdin72 an extra 175 points per year for the duration of the contract (haha, yeah right), then Aladdin72 could argue he paid $55 per point.

But for the purposes of others trying to gauge their own purchase, you WILL pay $110 per point for SSR if you buy direct. And they probably will attempt to sell you in the same way as Aladdin72, by making you think those current points are a gift instead something they have to give you when you buy a contract.

There's no saving money when it comes to buying direct, you're only saving time and effort.

[staceymay00]

Originally Posted by Aladdin72

My wife and I just purchased Direct at SSR for 175 pts with a March UY yesterday. That said, we went and did the tour (mainly for the fast passes), but at the end did exactly what was posted. Left our CC # with the intent if they received a contract we would buy. that was on Thursday 11/8, and we closed yesterday. we looked at several resale locations and the financing options as well for the purchase. The incredible thing was, because we bought and dictated our purchase location and use year we received our current year's(2012) points (and we have 2 weeks to decide to bank or use) and will receive our upcoming year's points obviously. We have a first payment due in Feb, and put down 15% to cover the 7 weeks of dues. Our monthly payment (10yr financing, but our finances will allow us to pay it off in Aug 2013), include the annual dues over 12 months. With us banking the points we essentially received 350 pts for March 2013 use, paid 55/pt, with the full benefits entitled.

This was by far cheaper than the currently listed prices of most regales at SSR for 63+ /pt, with no ROFR issues or anything.

I have to say I am extremely happy with this and will purchase our next round in Nov 2013 at OKW for 200 Pts and same UY. There was no downside to this purchase, you just have to be smart on the time to buy, make your intents known for what you want in terms of pts and UY and they (Disney) will accommodate you.

Did your guide actually tell you that you only paid $55/point? I sure hope not. Buying 175 points at $55/point means you would have only paid Disney $9,625 for your contract. The fact that you got current year's points is nice, however it is not the same as paying $55/point. We bought a resale contract a couple of years ago for $70 per point. The contract had all current year's points that we were able to bank, and in our case we did not have to reimburse the seller for the MFs they had already paid on those points. While getting that year of points free of MFs gave us more bang for our buck, ultimately we still paid $70 per point, not $35 per point. You have to look at the number of points in your contract that you get year after year, not the number of points you have for your first reservation using current year points plus a year of banked points.

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[wdrl]

In November 2012, Disney Vacation Development reacquired 23 deeds containing 5,003 points. As has been the case since August 2011, the majority of the deeds (17) and points (3,938) were for the Old Key West Resort.

In the last 12 months, DVD has reacquired 28,310 OKW points, significantly more than any other DVC resort. Although this amount may appear sizable, it accounts for less than 0.37% of OKW's 7.6 million points. Also, it should be noted that DVD has sold 60,268 points to the general public in the last 12 months.

[wdrl]

In December 2012, Disney Vacation Development exercised its Right of First Refusal on 29 deeds containing 6,869 points. This is the largest number of points reacquired in a single month since I began tracking this data in June 2010.

All but two of the reacquired deeds were from Old Key West. Since June 2010, DVD has exercised ROFR on 192 OKW deeds containing 41,193 points, more than any other DVC resort. Beach Club Villas is a distant second with 145 deeds and 30,644 points reacquired in that time period.

Since November 2011 the Orange County Comptroller's website no longer displays the consideration paid by DVD to reacquire deeds for the DVC resorts located at Walt Disney World. However, the Indian River County Clerk, which records deeds for Disney's Vero Beach Resort, recently modified its website and is now displaying the consideration amount on real estate transactions.

In December, one Vero Beach deed containing 216 points was reacquired by DVD. The consideration amount for this deed was $5,242.88, indicating that DVD paid $24.27 per point to reacquire this deed.

[DougEMG]

That sure is a lot of OKW contracts taken by ROFR. Personally I woldn't even bother trying for an OKW contract these days. Lucky for DVC that there are others that still do.

[wdrl]

Originally Posted by DougEMG

That sure is a lot of OKW contracts taken by ROFR. Personally I woldn't even bother trying for an OKW contract these days. Lucky for DVC that there are others that still do.

But we really don't know how many OKW deeds are passing ROFR. 29 ROFRed deeds might be only a fraction of all the OKWs deeds that are being processed on the resale market.

Since I no longer have access to the prices paid by DVD for OKW deeds, I don't know what the average ROFRed deeds was selling for. In the past -- when sale consideration amounts were part of the data displayed by OCC -- DVD seemed to set a very narrow price range for BCV at which they exercised ROFR. For example, resale prices above $84 were passing ROFR, prices below $80 were usually being ROFRed, and the middle area was hit or miss. I wonder if DVD is considering OKW deeds in the same manner, with a price range in the mid $50s.

[ELMC]

Originally Posted by wdrl

But we really don't know how many OKW deeds are passing ROFR. 29 ROFRed deeds might be only a fraction of all the OKWs deeds that are being processed on the resale market.

Since I no longer have access to the prices paid by DVD for OKW deeds, I don't know what the average ROFRed deeds was selling for. In the past -- when sale consideration amounts were part of the data displayed by OCC -- DVD seemed to set a very narrow price range for BCV at which they exercised ROFR. For example, resale prices above $84 were passing ROFR, prices below $80 were usually being ROFRed, and the middle area was hit or miss. I wonder if DVD is considering OKW deeds in the same manner, with a price range in the mid $50s.

That would be great information to have as we are probably dealing with a very small percentage of the overall resale sample here on the DIS. But I can say that 100% of the OKW contracts Doug and I tried to purchase were RORF'd if that helps.

[DougEMG]

Originally Posted by ELMC

That would be great information to have as we are probably dealing with a very small percentage of the overall resale sample here on the DIS. But I can say that 100% of the OKW contracts Doug and I tried to purchase were RORF'd if that helps.

In early 2012, I had four OKW contracts got to ROFR, all of them got taken by Disney. After that I gave up on OKW.

[wdrl]

More out of curiosity rather than trying to analyze this issue to death, I took a quick look at Notices of Waiver of Right of First Refusal filed in December 2012 by DVD with the Orange Comptroller Comptroller. Of 258 Notices recorded in December, 33 were for Old Key West. Of those 33 Notices, 22 were for gratuitous transfers and 11 were for selling from an owner to a third party.

As I was scanning the Notices one of the surnames caught my eye. An OKW owner who had a deed ROFRed by DVD also had another OKW deed in which DVD waived ROFR.

[MapleGirl]

This is very interesting. Why does Disney want OKW back so badly and not the others? I'm happy to see SSR is low on their ROFR list... that's where I want to buy.

[DannysMom]

Originally Posted by MapleGirl

This is very interesting. Why does Disney want OKW back so badly and not the others? I'm happy to see SSR is low on their ROFR list... that's where I want to buy.

The conventional wisdom here, says that DVC is trying to mitigate a problem they will have in 2042. They offered OKW owners an extension & only a small percentage of owners took them up on the offer. So they buy up the 2042 expiring contracts & re-sell the points with the extended 2057 expiry date, so that in 2042, they don't suddenly own 75-80% of that resort.

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[lodge]

Originally Posted by DannysMom

The conventional wisdom here, says that DVC is trying to mitigate a problem they will have in 2042. They offered OKW owners an extension & only a small percentage of owners took them up on the offer. So they buy up the 2042 expiring contracts & re-sell the points with the extended 2057 expiry date, so that in 2042, they don't suddenly own 75-80% of that resort.

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I don't know why this is a problem (owning 75-80%), because in 2042 all those that did not accept the longer contract just lose it to Disney anyway. That's going to happen to all of DVC contracts that expire in 2042.

I guess I'm not understanding the interest in purchasing all those contracts yet. It just brings to mind when Disney bought up all the land that is now WDW... if DIS had existed then, people would be watching all that buying and realized something was up.

[disneynutz]

Unknown why Disney does what they do but it usually is tied to profit. Some of the management decisions made by the former executives running DVD/DVC may be in question or they may want to now take a different direction.

I would think that Disney would want to tear down, build new, and sell new and add additional units to the same resort foot print.

Maintaining a building that is 50 plus years old can be expensive. Yes I know that the owners pay for the maintenance but at some point the cost will be too high.

Bill

[Brian Noble]

I don't know why this is a problem (owning 75-80%), because in 2042 all those that did not accept the longer contract just lose it to Disney anyway.

It's a problem because Disney will instantaneously own the bulk of an old hotel that they have to pay ongoing costs on, whether the WDW rental market is ripe for more inventory or not. But, they can't really make any drastic changes to it because it has to continue operating as a DVC property under the current rules for another dozen years.

[MapleGirl]

When Disney offered the OKW extension what was the deal? Did people how to pay to extend or were they just invited to keep paying their annual MF's?