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Old 11-25-2012, 09:12 PM   #61
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I'm right where you are in my training. Great job! Getting to 30 miles in a week is a big mental hurdle for me. I've done 16 miles twice now.. those 18 and 20 mile runs are just going to be
Great job to you too! We're almost there!!
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:14 PM   #62
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16 miles in 3 hours and 11 minutes and I finished smiling! Possibly because I was pretty numb by that point and immediately ate the best fall recovery food possible: cider donuts.

Nothing is going to get me through the post-Christmas blues like a great taper.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:19 PM   #63
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Runningwarehouse.com is running a deal on the 610...$299 down from $399: http://www.runningwarehouse.com/descpage-GF610HRM.html

Not sure how long it will be at this price. I just got a 210 and like it so far.

ETA: same price on Amazon for the 610: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerun...garmin+watches
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:32 PM   #64
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Wow! I have a lot of catching up to do! Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving weekend.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:41 PM   #65
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Hey everyone, thought I'd throw out my story and a question for everyone.

I'll be doing Goofy in January, which will be both my fifth half and full. I started training back in early September and at the end of the first week I knew something was wrong. Since I've had PF issues before, I knew the feeling, so I immediately shut down for a couple of days hoping that the pain would subside, but a couple of days turned into a couple of weeks, and as the pain started subsiding in my right foot, the PF in my left foot flared up out of nowhere.

The pain finally subsided enough to run again after about a month, which gave me 10 days to train for the first half marathon (of two) that were part of my training plan. I survived that run and quickly moved on. I was able to up my long runs and the first weekend of November, out of nowhere, I PR'd in the second half of my training plan (1:32). Since then, things have been fine, and today I ran 18, but due to travel, wasn't able to run yesterday to make it any form of back to back to simulate Goofy's at all.

Anyways, on to my question, which I don't think I missed in the original thread (I apologize if it has). Where are the best places for friends/family to see runners during the marathon, and how can they get around to those places? My wife, sister, and mother will be there (wife and sister are running the half) and I would consider all of us experienced at getting around, but this is our first marathon weekend. (Side note, no rental car, so they are dependent on buses, boats, and monorail.)

We are staying at the WL, so I'm thinking they can get to the TTC or Main St without issue, but from there, I'm not sure. It looks like all of the parks open at 9 (save for the World Showcase). I'll hopefully be going through AK around 7:30 and DHS around 8:45, so inside those parks is out of the question, but would they be able to get to AK to wait outside that far before rope drop? Is there a good way to get to WWoS (will they even let people out there)?

Is the only decent option to go back and forth between the TTC?
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:58 AM   #66
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Question for Goofy runners (past and present)...or anyone else that wants to weigh in!

Any thoughts on how to tackle the half? I've been thinking about what pace I want to run it at: not too fast that I totally trash my legs, but not too slow that I'm on my feet for longer than necessary...I feel like it's got to be just right. I just ran a half on November 18, so I was thinking about maybe aiming for the pace of that half + 60-90 seconds/mile. Of course, this could all go out the window depending on what characters are out on the half course.

Just curious to hear what others think about this...THANKS!
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:19 AM   #67
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Subscribing to the new thread. Nice to read how everyone's training is going.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:03 AM   #68
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Question for Goofy runners (past and present)...or anyone else that wants to weigh in!

Any thoughts on how to tackle the half? I've been thinking about what pace I want to run it at: not too fast that I totally trash my legs, but not too slow that I'm on my feet for longer than necessary...I feel like it's got to be just right. I just ran a half on November 18, so I was thinking about maybe aiming for the pace of that half + 60-90 seconds/mile. Of course, this could all go out the window depending on what characters are out on the half course.

Just curious to hear what others think about this...THANKS!
It's definitely a delicate approach, but it is one that is hard to answer without knowing how you train. Are you doing two long runs a week?

My goofy training plan had me running half of my long on on Saturday. Which means if I had to run 18 on Sunday, I had 9 on Saturday. 20 on Sunday meant 10 on Saturday, etc.

My approach was similar to yours as running slower is not necessarily easier. The change in running form and increased time on your feet doesn't keep you more rested for Sunday.

Most training plans ask for a training pace on your long runs about 1:00 - 1:30 than your expected race pace (for just a regular marathon). My experience has shown I still train at a pace as if I was doing just the marathon, but I don't increase my pace on race day.

If my training on my long runs are done in a 8:30 - 9 min pace, insetad of me racing at a 7:45 - 8 min pace, I will just run both races in what has shown to be a comfortable training pace somewhere around 8:45.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:15 AM   #69
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Random thought here. I am doing the Galloway method (run/walk), and following a modified version of his training plan (I incorporate more mileage and some hills/speedwork during the week, it's kind of a Higdon/Galloway cross). This coming weekend will be one of the looong runs. I already did a 20 miler, so I feel confident that I can do it. However, I feel like I have to start mentally preparing for this long run already, and it's 5 days away!

Does anyone else feel like this in the days before a long training run?? I feel like I need all 5 days of this week to get psyched up to do the training run. Aaah!
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:30 AM   #70
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Runningwarehouse.com is running a deal on the 610...$299 down from $399: [url]http://www.runningwarehouse.com/descpage-GF610HRM.html[/url
And don't forget to try the WISH discount on top of that

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Where are the best places for friends/family to see runners during the marathon, and how can they get around to those places?
Depends on how many times they want to see you and how early they want to get up. A typical recommendation is to park at EPCOT (free before 7 am, but have to take the detour to get there) and take monorail over to TTC and then go over to Floridian Way. This year, that will be around Mile 7-8. Then they can go back to TTC and take monorail to Epcot and see you at the end. But RunDisney usually posts a spectator tool to help figure this out. It doesn't appear to be up yet.

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This coming weekend will be one of the looong runs. I already did a 20 miler, so I feel confident that I can do it. However, I feel like I have to start mentally preparing for this long run already, and it's 5 days away!

Does anyone else feel like this in the days before a long training run?? I feel like I need all 5 days of this week to get psyched up to do the training run. Aaah!
Yes, especially if I am injured. And sometimes even when I'm not. Really, the mental part of running can be a real bear sometimes. Hang in there!

Ariel484 Running the half at an easy training pace is generally considered the common/smart thing to do.

As for me.....will try my 10 miler tomorrow when I get back from LA.

And for everyone who needs a laugh....I will be doing Goofy for the first time with minimal training, no back-to-back runs and my longest LR since August is 8 miles. Oh, and I'm probably going to wreck my foot in the process.Feel better about your own training yet?

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:41 AM   #71
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Yesterday I did 17 miles. Around mile 12-13ish I started to get pain behind my knee on the leg where the bend is (not under the kneecap) where the calf and hamstring muscles meet. Well I can barely move that leg now. Bending it is fine, like sitting on a chair it doesn't hurt at all. But walking, moving, getting up and down it is excrusciating! I can't straighten it at all. It is not sore, it is PAIN. I have an appointment with Sports Med Doc on Thursday but does anyone have any ideas?

Also, I see the transfer date is Dec 1, which doesn't do me any good anyway. But when is the Deferrment deadline, if there is one?
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:46 AM   #72
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It's definitely a delicate approach, but it is one that is hard to answer without knowing how you train. Are you doing two long runs a week?

My goofy training plan had me running half of my long on on Saturday. Which means if I had to run 18 on Sunday, I had 9 on Saturday. 20 on Sunday meant 10 on Saturday, etc.

My approach was similar to yours as running slower is not necessarily easier. The change in running form and increased time on your feet doesn't keep you more rested for Sunday.

Most training plans ask for a training pace on your long runs about 1:00 - 1:30 than your expected race pace (for just a regular marathon). My experience has shown I still train at a pace as if I was doing just the marathon, but I don't increase my pace on race day.

If my training on my long runs are done in a 8:30 - 9 min pace, insetad of me racing at a 7:45 - 8 min pace, I will just run both races in what has shown to be a comfortable training pace somewhere around 8:45.
Sounds like my schedule is similar to yours - long run + a run that's about half the distance of the long run (except for step-back weeks). I do them back-to-back sometimes but not every weekend.

The portion of your response that I bolded is exactly what I'm talking about!

That's for your input. I think what you're saying about doing the races at training pace sounds like a good idea.

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Random thought here. I am doing the Galloway method (run/walk), and following a modified version of his training plan (I incorporate more mileage and some hills/speedwork during the week, it's kind of a Higdon/Galloway cross). This coming weekend will be one of the looong runs. I already did a 20 miler, so I feel confident that I can do it. However, I feel like I have to start mentally preparing for this long run already, and it's 5 days away!

Does anyone else feel like this in the days before a long training run?? I feel like I need all 5 days of this week to get psyched up to do the training run. Aaah!
Absolutely. You are not alone there. I try to look at each long run being one step closer to marathon weekend...one more thing that makes me stronger and will make the races that much better. If I look at it that way it seems to help...but sometimes I just get nervous and anxious.

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And don't forget to try the WISH discount on top of that...[snip]...
You know, I'm not sure that the WISH discount works on Garmins. I ordered a 210, put in the discount code and it showed up as a whopping $0 off. Oh well.

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Ariel484 Running the half at an easy training pace is generally considered the common/smart thing to do.

As for me.....will try my 10 miler tomorrow when I get back from LA.

And for everyone who needs a laugh....I will be doing Goofy for the first time with minimal training, no back-to-back runs and my longest LR since August is 8 miles. Oh, and I'm probably going to wreck my foot in the process.Feel better about your own training yet?

Maura
Thanks for your input, Maura! So that's 2 votes for doing the half at training pace.

Good luck with your 10-miler...I feel like just having the experience of having been there before will help you SO much with Goofy, even if your training hasn't been where you've wanted it to be.
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Any thoughts on how to tackle the half? I've been thinking about what pace I want to run it at: not too fast that I totally trash my legs, but not too slow that I'm on my feet for longer than necessary...I feel like it's got to be just right. I just ran a half on November 18, so I was thinking about maybe aiming for the pace of that half + 60-90 seconds/mile. Of course, this could all go out the window depending on what characters are out on the half course.
I think there are three ways to tackle Goofy. 1) race the half and survive the full. Not a bad plan if you feel like hitting most or all of the character stops on Sunday. 2) easy half and race the full. If you race well on tired legs, this can work very well for you. 3) easy half and easy full. This is what most people do. It allows you to have two fun and relaxing days, fitting in plenty of character stops during both races. Running both days at your typical long run pace (a minute or so slower than race pace) keeps your legs fresh and removes the mental strain that kicks in when trying to run fast for a goal time.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:32 AM   #74
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I ran in the snow for the first time yesterday. Ugh! It was supposed to be my long run but I only ended up doing 5 miles because the lightly falling snow when I started turned into a lake effect snowstorm!!

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I just read your TR from your marathon last year and loved it!! I'm so glad I signed up for the 1/2 this year but now, after reading about your adventure, it makes me think I could have pushed myself a little farther. I could do the full but also have some fun like you did and take lots of pictures! I would love to have that anniversary medal. I will definately try for next year. Hope to see you at the 1/2!
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:22 AM   #75
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Morning everyone! Advice please?

Training for the WDW 2013 Full. My first. Last week I picked up a nastly cold bug that took me out of commission for the last few days. Note to self - do not get sick before Marathon Weekend! I'm following Higdon's Full program and should have done 16 miles yesterday. So, for this week's long run should I do the 16 miles and go right to the 18 next weekend or stick with Higdon's plan and drop to 12 before the 18???

I can't shift the weeks back and drop a taper week, because I'm registered for a Half on December 15th during a down week. So that would throw everying off. Thoughts?
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