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Old 08-03-2012, 09:21 AM   #46
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agree with paragraph one, agree with paragraph two...

disney is getting too much credit with the rework of california adventure...my opinion.

This is exactly what they want and i feared.

They should get NO CREDIT because the original california adventure was built as a disaster in a string of disasterous parks/ missteps...all of which have been sold at retail price since opening.

"We spent a billion dollars for you"...great - so really you spent two billion on a park that isn't worth that and charge me 100 bucks to see it...and wasted 10 years of yours and everyone else's lives.

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Not that it's an excuse (because it's not meant as one):

Remember, Lassiter has since joined Disney..and he' has (by all accounts) taken complete creative control of the DL Resort, from top to bottom.

So while I agree that Disney deserves the blame for the mess that was DCA (and, really, the waste of time and resources necessary to "fix" it)...Lassiter (and thus, I guess, Iger) deserves some credit for the fix.

It's not a zero sum...they deserve more blame than credit..but DCA is actually a park that I might consider visiting now..and not an obvious and pure profit center that provides no value and should have had disclaimer signs saying "This park exists solely to put it's hand in your wallet, and will provide almost no fun, interesting experiences (tortilla making? REALLY?), or emotional connections"

As for why AK hasn't been fixed/finished...I agree. SOME of it, probably, was the diversion of resources to DCA. But I think a good part of it is, not to sound like a broken record, nobody in control at WDW has the creative "testicular fortitude" to know what to do with it. Rhode (for better or worse) is on to his next pilgrimmage, they don't have a Lassiter type down there to work off of, and it seems like the decision makers are better at counting beans than figuring out good ways to cook them.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:26 AM   #47
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I think it's possible for a small Pixar area expansion with the cars ride, but not a whole radiator springs area.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:44 AM   #48
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Disneysea is simply amazing. If you can, I would recommend a pilgrimmage for any Disney fan.

I got to go while I was out there on business. Now I've got to find a way to get the rest of the family out there.
The quality of Tokyo Disney changes everything! From how you look at the offerings at the domestic parks to how much you are willing to spend on stuff at WDW because you are saving for your next trip to DisneySea!

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:01 AM   #49
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I hope Cars Land does not come to DHS. It just seems lazy to me. Let Cars Land be the mega area for DCA.

I would like for WDI to come up with something just as amazing that is just for DHS.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:39 PM   #50
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Only they add Doc's power slide training. It's the only think RSR missed. Those 4 wheel steer Test track type vehicles should be able to simulate a power slide (driving sideways) without actually "burning rubber"
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:59 AM   #51
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I can't see a copy of Cars land being brough to DHS. It just seems like unneeded duplication. for around the same cost they could place a new land with a different theme, heck, do a proper "Pixar Place", put in a Cars ride, move Toy Story, add in a Incredible ride (similar to Spiderman) and a small midway ride based off Nemo or Up. SORTED.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:36 AM   #52
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I hope Cars Land does not come to DHS. It just seems lazy to me. Let Cars Land be the mega area for DCA.

I would like for WDI to come up with something just as amazing that is just for DHS.
I totally agree. I don't like the fact that alot of attractions have essentially become "chain stores", it ruins their uniqueness, at least for me. If they brought Cars Land, all of a sudden everyone considering to go to DLR has no reason to go, since new attractions like that, well, attract people. I won't argue against Cars Land, I think it'd be great, its just I would also like something different but equally amazing.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:59 PM   #53
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I say, it is happening. It is all ready in the works and will be here by 2016 and it has been on the table for several years.

I think the contract is up on AI experience and DHS needs to expand Pixar Place. There were some mock-ups at WDI that we saw (by accident) that were quickly hidden in the modeling department.
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I say, it is happening. It is all ready in the works and will be here by 2016 and it has been on the table for several years.

I think the contract is up on AI experience and DHS needs to expand Pixar Place. There were some mock-ups at WDI that we saw (by accident) that were quickly hidden in the modeling department.
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Can't WDW do something that is different from DL? Do they absolutely need to copy what DCA has? Why not just do a Pixar-Land which encompasses all pixar movies instead of just Cars.
This is exciting news, but I agree, they should do something other than a total copy of Cars Land from DCA. A Pixar Land would be very cool!
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Four pages in, I agree with lockedoutlogic across the board.

It is sad that there are still Disney fans of the magnitude to accept simple schlock. There is little that is ground breaking and the real world is far more entertaining. Wake up! Stop praying to a porcelain god. See it and enjoy it for what it is but give it nothing more.
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Haven't been on in a while and I'll be honest I don't have the time to read the whole thread but here's my take.

Cars land is getting too much credit because DCA was a Bloody Disaster.

Carsland should NOT come to MGM because for one, I'd personally like to not get another clone. Not to Mention Car's and Car's 2 are generally considered 2 of the worst 3 pixar movies made (at least to the people I talk too)

Pixar Place is fine but honestly just give me the F***ing Monster's inc Coaster (PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT A VEKMOA SLC (shudders in painful memories) and be done with it.

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Pixar Place is fine but honestly just give me the F***ing Monster's inc Coaster (PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT A VEKMOA SLC (shudders in painful memories) and be done with it.

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No hate here. I've wanted the MI Coaster for years. I met with an Imagineer a year or so back, and questioned about a backlot studio being cleared out near Pixar Place and she said they were hopeful "something" was coming. I'm assuming they took all of their "homeland" funds and shoved them into the bricks that form the foundation of Cars Land. That coaster would make Pixar Place way more appealing, seeing as right now its really just TSM in the area...

Heck, off thread topic, but I'd be happy if they'd just demo the Indie show and give us a Indie ride. I don't necessarily want Cars Land, but as I said I won't complain if it does come, its better than nothing (maybe not).
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Four pages in, I agree with lockedoutlogic across the board.

It is sad that there are still Disney fans of the magnitude to accept simple schlock. There is little that is ground breaking and the real world is far more entertaining. Wake up! Stop praying to a porcelain god. See it and enjoy it for what it is but give it nothing more.
I am not sure which attractions from Cars Land are coming, but it IS coming. Only time will tell when, but this has been the plan. I still put the date somewhere in 2016.
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Yeah, count me in the group that puts Cars Land in DHS as all but a guaranteed lock, but I'm thinking 2017.

I understand why people want all the parks to be different, but I would love to see data on how many people go to more than "their" parks. I want to do Cars Land at DCA and Transformers: The Ride at Universal Hollywood as much as anyone, but I sure as heck am not going to book a trip to California to do it when there is DisneyWorld and Universal Florida much closer. Just as I'm probably never going to visit Tokyo Disney Sea no matter how amazing it seems.

I'd really like to know say, if the Magic Kingdom has 20M guests in a year and DisneyLand has 15M guests, how many people are included on both numbers? My guess would be a number significantly less than 1%. And if that's true, than if game changer like Cars Land comes along, it should be ported to other parks. IMO
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