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Old 09-17-2009, 09:26 PM   #631
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very sad what has happened to PI. last week i walked through PI with a friend and all she could say was " what happened here". she is an orlando resident and was fairly shocked as to how barren it was.
Same feelings I had when I saw River Country after it closed. And yes, before DD6, I went to PI a lot. Now we just drink/dance/listen to loud music/tell tales in our room. Wonder how that will fly? "Sorry, but since PI closed, you guys don't leave us with an after hours entertainment choice, so we have to amuse ourselves." :
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:38 PM   #632
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It's just sad. Disney used to be the best at everything they tried. I'm amazed they have fallen this far.
I realize this is a bit off topic, but with our current economy Disney could be worse. I saw it today.

Visited Busch Gardens today - trust me, Disney is still best (although not like they once were - I know). Everyone else seems to be falling too.

I grew up 20 minutes outside DW - and pretty much grew up there, with an occasional visit to the other theme parks.

Let me say at least Disney's tram operators have teeth, they mulch & weed their gardens, pick up the garbage, and the CMs have a pleasant attitude. What I experienced at Busch Gardens today was astonishing compared to just a few years ago.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:52 PM   #633
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From what I understand, the hard truth is that Adventurer's Club is gone for good. Bob Iger even stated that it is not coming back. It will be a restaurant at Hong Kong Disneyland. The only possible chance of it coming back seems to be if the Mystic Point area is cloned at WDW (like at AK). I've heard that there are some exciting ideas that imagineers are working on for PI (restaurants and merch.). Someone on another site thought that they should bring the Marvel Cafe idea that was supposed to go at Universal to PI. This could be cool, especially if it has show elements.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:48 PM   #634
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Bob Iger even stated that it is not coming back.
Can you please tell us the source of this info?

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Old 09-18-2009, 07:20 AM   #635
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My only questions is that if they are not bringing it back why havent they taken the signage down yet? Even the bus maps still call it Pleasure Island (of course all of the Pleasure is gone).

I think it would be cool for them to do some new attractions with their newly aquired franchises.

It's interesting that US has to pay disney royalties on the Marvel stuff now and that there are special provisions in the contract that US cannot even shutdown for a hurricane. If those parks at IOA shut down for a day Disney has the right to call in all of their rights with the Marvel stuff.
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Old 09-18-2009, 07:21 AM   #636
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I've heard that there are some exciting ideas that imagineers are working on for PI (restaurants and merch.).
And family friendly too.

They have made such a great impact thus far.
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:52 AM   #637
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Ugh... so frustrating that it just sits their vacant with no signs of life. .... I don't want more boring restaraunts... Wither the clubs!
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:58 AM   #638
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Can you please tell us the source of this info?

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I'm assuming the poster is referring to Iger's comments at the last shareholder meeting, after some faboi gave a speech-like question calling the AC "the common man's Club 33." (Since said fanboi will probably read this, aplogies to you, but it really was over the top...) If you search the board or Google it, can probably find the exact quote, but it was no more than a sentence or two, but to the effect of "it ain't comin' back."

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My only questions is that if they are not bringing it back why havent they taken the signage down yet? Even the bus maps still call it Pleasure Island (of course all of the Pleasure is gone).
Speculation, but at least one CM in the know has hinted I may be right: if Disney drops the name "Pleasure Island," it would be a change in circumstances sufficient to let their remaining tenants break their lease without penalty (or even sue). Raglan, Fuego and Curl have spent a lot of money marketing themselves as "on Pleasure Island," not "at Downtown Disney." Plus they probably want to avoid abandoning the copyright, although I confess I know very little about intellectual property law.
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:18 PM   #639
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there are special provisions in the contract that US cannot even shutdown for a hurricane. If those parks at IOA shut down for a day Disney has the right to call in all of their rights with the Marvel stuff
At the risk of going completely off-topic (a Rumors & News Board tradition), can I ask what the source of that information is? Not to doubt you, but that doesn't sound like a reasonable interpretation of the Marvel-Universal contract. Granted, none of us have actually seen the contract (I assume), so we are just going by what has been said or reported.

What I had read was Universal had the rights so long as the rides remained in operation (again, that's almost certainly not the actual contract "language"). That doesn't mean when the park closes for the night or if it doesn't open tomorrow (for whatever reason) the character rights lapse; It means once Universal formally closes down the Spider-Man ride for good, then they lose the license. You can't run an attraction like that without periodic closures for maintenance anyway.

Again, I know no more - and probably less - about the subject than you, but that just sounded like the sort of misinterpretation I wouldn't be surprised to see on some Disney discussion boards (not here!), hence I hope you'll understand my asking for the source. It would be interesting indeed if such a provision were anywhere near accurate. One thing I certainly can foresee is the potential for legal 'confrontations' between Disney and Universal; For instance, a routine closure for refurbishment is apparently permitted, but how long can the attraction(s) be closed before Disney could then argue that it instead constitutes a shutdown of the attraction, and therefore the loss of any rights to use that character?

Regarding Iger and the Adventurers Club, enough time has now passed that it is more than likely that plans for the future of the island have changed, perhaps several times, since the closure announcement. Clearly Disney wasn't able to just rent the spaces out like an ordinary strip-mall shopping center. Whether the club reopens eventually or never, I think it is quite possible that there were plans, now or at some point, for a possible return of the Adventurers Club. Even if a reopening date were confirmed today, plans still could change (when was the last time you visited the Spanish or Israeli pavilions in World Showcase...).
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:56 PM   #640
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At the risk of going completely off-topic (a Rumors & News Board tradition), can I ask what the source of that information is? Not to doubt you, but that doesn't sound like a reasonable interpretation of the Marvel-Universal contract. Granted, none of us have actually seen the contract (I assume), so we are just going by what has been said or reported.

What I had read was Universal had the rights so long as the rides remained in operation (again, that's almost certainly not the actual contract "language"). That doesn't mean when the park closes for the night or if it doesn't open tomorrow (for whatever reason) the character rights lapse; It means once Universal formally closes down the Spider-Man ride for good, then they lose the license. You can't run an attraction like that without periodic closures for maintenance anyway.

Again, I know no more - and probably less - about the subject than you, but that just sounded like the sort of misinterpretation I wouldn't be surprised to see on some Disney discussion boards (not here!), hence I hope you'll understand my asking for the source. It would be interesting indeed if such a provision were anywhere near accurate. One thing I certainly can foresee is the potential for legal 'confrontations' between Disney and Universal; For instance, a routine closure for refurbishment is apparently permitted, but how long can the attraction(s) be closed before Disney could then argue that it instead constitutes a shutdown of the attraction, and therefore the loss of any rights to use that character?

Regarding Iger and the Adventurers Club, enough time has now passed that it is more than likely that plans for the future of the island have changed, perhaps several times, since the closure announcement. Clearly Disney wasn't able to just rent the spaces out like an ordinary strip-mall shopping center. Whether the club reopens eventually or never, I think it is quite possible that there were plans, now or at some point, for a possible return of the Adventurers Club. Even if a reopening date were confirmed today, plans still could change (when was the last time you visited the Spanish or Israeli pavilions in World Showcase...).
I highly doubt that anyone could make someone stay open during a Hurricane. You force a park to stay open and someone gets killed there goes major problems for Disney. There is no way that would ever happen.

As far as Disney having some kind of control over Universal itself, I don't buy that either. Universal owned itself and paid Marvel to put trademark names on and themes in their attractions. At no point did Marvel buy Universal or IOA. That is the only way Disney would be able to control something like operating hours or the park being shut down.

As with the above poster who's quote I have, Disney will get paid for those trademarks for now on and once a ride shuts down (for good) the Marvel name will be gone from that attraction. My guess is Universal will milk the Marvel name as long as they can but Disney can probably raise the price on the trademarks eventually.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:11 PM   #641
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Some of you are putting the cart before the horse. Disney's entire purchase of Marvel is subject to antitrust approval by the government. While everyone is assuming the deal is going to go through, it faces some serious hurdles. Universal doesn't compete with Marvel but Universal does compete with Disney. To allow Disney to own Marvel is not something that gets easily approved, in my opinion. I expect Universal and Busch to object to the purchase, as they ought to. The scope is so huge that it creates a chilling effect on competition in the theme park industry.

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Old 09-19-2009, 01:28 PM   #642
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To respond to some of the above PI comments, I find it obvious that whatever they had planned fell through. I don't remember where I heard it, but someone had said when Disney closed RRBC, they immediately found a leaser for the building. Since it went so quick, they figured they could do the same for the whole island. They had already decided and announced to close when the economy hit and everything fell through including RRBC.

They stripped mannequins and 8-trax so there couldn't be any possibility of it being rented or reopened. Why? I don't know. The two most profitable and most popular clubs got torn apart while the generic BET and Motion remained(I'm not even gonna get into AC). It's obvious they never planned to allow those clubs to be rented from Feb through September of this year.

I have heard, as many have, that they will eventually transform the entire DTD area and the name PI and West Side will be removed. For right now it stays as it is, but some pretty reliable sources are saying big changes on the way. BET was just stripped this week...in case anyone missed my last post stating that. All the lights and sounds are gone.

The clubs are growing more run down as they go longer and longer without maintenance. Mannequins is leaking on the second floor and the water is dripping right down to the stairway and onto the first level. BET always had a leak and had to be frequently painted to cover up the discolored walls.

Now what I'd really like to do is take this video:
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and go take my own video showing before and now. Clearly they will make it better right? What a flippin joke!
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:41 PM   #643
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Thanks for the vids.

Unfortunately, I missed all of the fireworks. My first real time at PI they had the stage up and everything. Ever since then they opened up the walkway. I have not been back since they announced they were closing it down. DTD gets zero of my dollars.
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:34 AM   #644
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I WANT THE ADVERTURE'S CLUB. It was a gas. The one thing I don't want and need is another place to buy tee shirts, mugs etc.

They closed River Country now Pleasure Island not to mention ruining the Disney Stores.

Good golly molly get some imagination.
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and I want a clean, smoke free, convenient, and safe location to go for techno music. I don't want a hole in the wall club, I don't wanna go through the worst part of town, and I don't wanna come home smelling like smoke. I want thumping bass, amazing lights, and a rotating dance floor darnit!


If anyone knows where I can get the comedy warehouse exit spiel, please let me know. I would like to incorporate it into my boat rides every now and then, but I can't find it on youtube or google.
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