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We had one seriously negative experience happen on an ABD. There wasn't anything we could do about it at the time, but when we returned home I made sure to forward my remarks to the person I thought needed to know - my travel agent. And within 24 hours, I was speaking on the phone with a representative of ABD who assured me that this wasn't the experience they wanted people to have. That one phone call renewed my faith in ABD (and generated my lifelong devotion to my travel agent), and my subsequent Adventure (previously booked before that happened) was a delight. I have since talked my other half into doing another Adventure, and we're very much looking forward to it. I really do enjoy ABD's way of doing things.

We did a trip with Tauck, and I would not recommend them for a variety of reasons UNLESS they have an itinerary which fits your needs/desires. They had places we wanted to visit, and my foreign languages are a disaster so I rely on a tour operator doing that work for me at hotels, tourist stops, etc. Now it wasn't a BAD trip. I got my money's worth, but I prefer the ABD approach more than I did theirs.

But as far as trip reports go, it's always good information to know that sometimes things do go wrong. And it's good to know that you're not the only person to have an adverse experience.
 
We had one seriously negative experience happen on an ABD. There wasn't anything we could do about it at the time, but when we returned home I made sure to forward my remarks to the person I thought needed to know - my travel agent. And within 24 hours, I was speaking on the phone with a representative of ABD who assured me that this wasn't the experience they wanted people to have. That one phone call renewed my faith in ABD (and generated my lifelong devotion to my travel agent), and my subsequent Adventure (previously booked before that happened) was a delight. I have since talked my other half into doing another Adventure, and we're very much looking forward to it. I really do enjoy ABD's way of doing things.

We did a trip with Tauck, and I would not recommend them for a variety of reasons UNLESS they have an itinerary which fits your needs/desires. They had places we wanted to visit, and my foreign languages are a disaster so I rely on a tour operator doing that work for me at hotels, tourist stops, etc. Now it wasn't a BAD trip. I got my money's worth, but I prefer the ABD approach more than I did theirs.

But as far as trip reports go, it's always good information to know that sometimes things do go wrong. And it's good to know that you're not the only person to have an adverse experience.

I'm glad you had a positive experience dealing with ABD after you complained. Unfortunately for us, we didn't. The person we spoke to was rather condescending and rude and really didn't take our issues seriously at all.
 
Having a travel agent as your advocate can offer help in many different ways.

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I have a Disney Agent and she's great. She said she'd talk to her ABD rep but she also let me talk to ABD myself but they just pushed me off on Guest Relations who was really condescending and rude. Basically just said they would make a note on future itineraries to advise people to bring noise cancelling headphones if they don't like loud music on the bus completely ignoring the fact that it was said loud music played by THEIR employee that nearly put me in a hospital in Austria because THEIR employee REFUSED to turn it down
 
We had one seriously negative experience happen on an ABD. There wasn't anything we could do about it at the time, but when we returned home I made sure to forward my remarks to the person I thought needed to know - my travel agent. And within 24 hours, I was speaking on the phone with a representative of ABD who assured me that this wasn't the experience they wanted people to have. That one phone call renewed my faith in ABD (and generated my lifelong devotion to my travel agent), and my subsequent Adventure (previously booked before that happened) was a delight. I have since talked my other half into doing another Adventure, and we're very much looking forward to it. I really do enjoy ABD's way of doing things.

When I spoke to ABD after our China adventure they were very empathetic as well. Overall I was satisfied with how they handled what happened and it is my hope that they will be able to adapt to natural disasters better in the future. Although they don't happen very often there needs to be a bit of flexibility on their part with respect to how they handle things.

While we are excited for our ABD cruise in June, 2017 I'm not certain when we will travel with them again. I love the flexibility of traveling on my own -- however my kids like traveling with other families, so it is a bit of a conundrum!
 
I have a Disney Agent and she's great. She said she'd talk to her ABD rep but she also let me talk to ABD myself but they just pushed me off on Guest Relations who was really condescending and rude. Basically just said they would make a note on future itineraries to advise people to bring noise cancelling headphones if they don't like loud music on the bus completely ignoring the fact that it was said loud music played by THEIR employee that nearly put me in a hospital in Austria because THEIR employee REFUSED to turn it down

I'm sorry your agent wasnt able to help you.
 
I'm sorry your agent wasnt able to help you.

Unfortunately I don't think there is much she could have done. When it comes to taking responsibility for things, ABD is not willing to do that these days, even when it is clearly their fault/resposibility. They are quick to lay the blame on the guest even when the guest is not at fault. I heard it first hand while on the tour about the cycling excursion on the Germany tour. Jennae said outright that all the accidents that happen on that particular excursion are because people haven't been on a bike in years and think they can just hop on a bike and be fine. She was outright laying 100% of the blame/fault on the guests.
 
Unfortunately I don't think there is much she could have done. When it comes to taking responsibility for things, ABD is not willing to do that these days, even when it is clearly their fault/resposibility. They are quick to lay the blame on the guest even when the guest is not at fault. I heard it first hand while on the tour about the cycling excursion on the Germany tour. Jennae said outright that all the accidents that happen on that particular excursion are because people haven't been on a bike in years and think they can just hop on a bike and be fine. She was outright laying 100% of the blame/fault on the guests.

I'm guessing you signed a travel agreement in order to participate in this Adventure.

This is included in each travel agreement....


I AGREE TO ASSUME THE RISKS inherent in and incidental to participation in the Adventure, including participation in recreational and other activities in the course of the Adventure described in the Adventure Travel Documents (the "Activities"), organized or conducted by you, an Excursion Provider or Supplier (as defined below) which may cause loss or damage to personal property, personal injury or death. I agree to abide by the rules and instructions given prior to or during the Activities. I am fully aware of the physically and psychologically challenging nature of the Activities and that furthermore there will be risks and dangers inherent in the Activities, which may include but are not limited to, the following examples:

Walking Tours, Historic Site Visits, Hiking and Nature Walks: Risk of falling, tripping, being struck by objects and/or slipping as a result of walking on trails, terrain, cobblestones, sidewalks or other surfaces that are slippery, rocky, uneven, unimproved, bridgeless or unstable, including those in historic sites and museums; exposure to city traffic; and exposure to hot sun or cold temperatures, insect bites and stings, or any dangerous wildlife encounters.

Boating and Watercraft Activities: Risk of hypothermia or drowning from being thrown by the forces of water motion or movement of the vessel through rough and unpredictable waters or seas; head and other bodily injury from being thrown out of the raft or boat onto rocks or trees or into dangerous rocks or cold water, or from coming in contact with gear, cargo, rigging or other people; accident caused by embarkation and disembarkation from slippery, uneven, unstable or vessel surfaces; risk of vessel capsizing or sinking; trauma caused by hot sun or cold water, including sunstroke, sickness or being wet, cold or uncomfortable; and attack by sea creatures.

Game Drive and Related Activities: Risks inherent in walking or traveling by open jeep in a game reserve, including attack by game, wild or domestic animals, birds and reptiles; and trauma caused by exposure to heat and sun including heat stroke, sun stroke, sunburn, and dehydration.

Archery lessons: Risk of injury from coming into contact with arrows and other archery equipment, which may be sharp and may move at a fast speed.

Aerial Tram: Risk of motion sickness and vertigo; altitude sickness; falling from heights; and equipment failures, including but not limited to, failure of cables or any part of the tram structure.

Activities with animals: Risk of injury by animals that may act unpredictably and may kick, bite, stomp, spit, stumble, fall down, or move suddenly due to their reactions to the conduct of the person petting or shearing them, other persons, other animals, loud noises, light, or vehicles; risk of injury by marine wildlife.

Traveling and Transportation: Risk of travel by plane, boat or automobile/bus, which may include delay, inconvenience, motion sickness, vertigo, and injury caused by collision or other accident during transport or in the course of embarking and disembarking the vehicle or conveyance.

Reptile/Insect Demonstration: Risk of being bitten, stung or strangled by reptiles or insects, whether poisonous or otherwise.

Therefore, on my own behalf, and on behalf of my heirs, executors, administrators and minor age children and children of whom I am a legal guardian, I hereby RELEASE and forever discharge the Released Parties and any Excursion Provider and any Supplier, of and from all liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses of any nature arising out of or in any way connected with participation in the Activities, and further agree to indemnify and hold the Released Parties, any Excursion Provider and any Supplier harmless against any and all such liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses, including, but not limited to, all attorney"s fees and disbursements. I understand that this release and indemnity agreement includes, without limitation, any claims caused by, or suffered by me and covers bodily injury and property damage, whether suffered by me before, during or after participation in the Activities. I further authorize medical treatment for myself and the members of my party, at my cost, if the need arises. However I acknowledge that none of the Released Parties, an Excursion Provider or a Supplier shall have a duty, obligation or liability arising out of the provision of, or failure to provide medical treatment and further acknowledge that medical treatment may not be available. I understand and acknowledge that (i) an Excursion Provider and a Supplier are independent entities not affiliated with you, (ii) the Activities are being provided by or through an Excursion Provider or a Supplier under agreement(s) or arrangement(s) with one or more of you, or in the case of a Supplier, under agreement(s) or arrangement(s) with an Excursion Provider; (iii) "Excursion Provider" as used in this Agreement means a person or entity that arranges and/or escorts me on the Activities, and includes its parent, subsidiary, related and affiliated companies, and the officers, employees, agents, representatives, successors and assigns of each of them; and (iv) "Supplier" as used in this Agreement means a person or entity that arranges the Activities, and includes its parent, subsidiary, related and affiliated companies, and the officers, employees, agents, representatives, successors and assigns of each of them.

Once you have signed this legal document, you release ABD from any fault.
 
I'm guessing you signed a travel agreement in order to participate in this Adventure.

This is included in each travel agreement....


I AGREE TO ASSUME THE RISKS inherent in and incidental to participation in the Adventure, including participation in recreational and other activities in the course of the Adventure described in the Adventure Travel Documents (the "Activities"), organized or conducted by you, an Excursion Provider or Supplier (as defined below) which may cause loss or damage to personal property, personal injury or death. I agree to abide by the rules and instructions given prior to or during the Activities. I am fully aware of the physically and psychologically challenging nature of the Activities and that furthermore there will be risks and dangers inherent in the Activities, which may include but are not limited to, the following examples:

Walking Tours, Historic Site Visits, Hiking and Nature Walks: Risk of falling, tripping, being struck by objects and/or slipping as a result of walking on trails, terrain, cobblestones, sidewalks or other surfaces that are slippery, rocky, uneven, unimproved, bridgeless or unstable, including those in historic sites and museums; exposure to city traffic; and exposure to hot sun or cold temperatures, insect bites and stings, or any dangerous wildlife encounters.

Boating and Watercraft Activities: Risk of hypothermia or drowning from being thrown by the forces of water motion or movement of the vessel through rough and unpredictable waters or seas; head and other bodily injury from being thrown out of the raft or boat onto rocks or trees or into dangerous rocks or cold water, or from coming in contact with gear, cargo, rigging or other people; accident caused by embarkation and disembarkation from slippery, uneven, unstable or vessel surfaces; risk of vessel capsizing or sinking; trauma caused by hot sun or cold water, including sunstroke, sickness or being wet, cold or uncomfortable; and attack by sea creatures.

Game Drive and Related Activities: Risks inherent in walking or traveling by open jeep in a game reserve, including attack by game, wild or domestic animals, birds and reptiles; and trauma caused by exposure to heat and sun including heat stroke, sun stroke, sunburn, and dehydration.

Archery lessons: Risk of injury from coming into contact with arrows and other archery equipment, which may be sharp and may move at a fast speed.

Aerial Tram: Risk of motion sickness and vertigo; altitude sickness; falling from heights; and equipment failures, including but not limited to, failure of cables or any part of the tram structure.

Activities with animals: Risk of injury by animals that may act unpredictably and may kick, bite, stomp, spit, stumble, fall down, or move suddenly due to their reactions to the conduct of the person petting or shearing them, other persons, other animals, loud noises, light, or vehicles; risk of injury by marine wildlife.

Traveling and Transportation: Risk of travel by plane, boat or automobile/bus, which may include delay, inconvenience, motion sickness, vertigo, and injury caused by collision or other accident during transport or in the course of embarking and disembarking the vehicle or conveyance.

Reptile/Insect Demonstration: Risk of being bitten, stung or strangled by reptiles or insects, whether poisonous or otherwise.

Therefore, on my own behalf, and on behalf of my heirs, executors, administrators and minor age children and children of whom I am a legal guardian, I hereby RELEASE and forever discharge the Released Parties and any Excursion Provider and any Supplier, of and from all liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses of any nature arising out of or in any way connected with participation in the Activities, and further agree to indemnify and hold the Released Parties, any Excursion Provider and any Supplier harmless against any and all such liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses, including, but not limited to, all attorney"s fees and disbursements. I understand that this release and indemnity agreement includes, without limitation, any claims caused by, or suffered by me and covers bodily injury and property damage, whether suffered by me before, during or after participation in the Activities. I further authorize medical treatment for myself and the members of my party, at my cost, if the need arises. However I acknowledge that none of the Released Parties, an Excursion Provider or a Supplier shall have a duty, obligation or liability arising out of the provision of, or failure to provide medical treatment and further acknowledge that medical treatment may not be available. I understand and acknowledge that (i) an Excursion Provider and a Supplier are independent entities not affiliated with you, (ii) the Activities are being provided by or through an Excursion Provider or a Supplier under agreement(s) or arrangement(s) with one or more of you, or in the case of a Supplier, under agreement(s) or arrangement(s) with an Excursion Provider; (iii) "Excursion Provider" as used in this Agreement means a person or entity that arranges and/or escorts me on the Activities, and includes its parent, subsidiary, related and affiliated companies, and the officers, employees, agents, representatives, successors and assigns of each of them; and (iv) "Supplier" as used in this Agreement means a person or entity that arranges the Activities, and includes its parent, subsidiary, related and affiliated companies, and the officers, employees, agents, representatives, successors and assigns of each of them.

Once you have signed this legal document, you release ABD from any fault.

We didn't have a cycling excursion, I was using that as an example of how Disney now lays the blame for things on the guest even when something happens when it's not the guests fault, like a bike chain coming off. It was a comment that a Guide made in reference to an activity on another trip because someone asked her outright about all the accidents on the cycling excursion on the Germany trip. She said it was because "Everyone assumes they still know how to ride a bike even if they haven't been on one in years". My situation was different and I'm not getting into it further here.
 
This is also true when using a pass to enter Disneyland or WDW.

From the Disney website:

A Passholder assumes the inherent risks associated with the operation of all rides and attractions and should read and obey all safety signage, instructions and rules.
 
We didn't have a cycling excursion, I was using that as an example of how Disney now lays the blame for things on the guest even when something happens when it's not the guests fault, like a bike chain coming off. It was a comment that a Guide made in reference to an activity on another trip because someone asked her outright about all the accidents on the cycling excursion on the Germany trip. She said it was because "Everyone assumes they still know how to ride a bike even if they haven't been on one in years". My situation was different and I'm not getting into it further here.

I'm sorry.

You gave an example and I explained why the Guide said what she said.

The example of the chain falling off is also covered in the Travel agreement. It's located here:

I hereby RELEASE and forever discharge the Released Parties and any Excursion Provider and any Supplier, of and from all liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses of any nature arising out of or in any way connected with participation in the Activities, and further agree to indemnify and hold the Released Parties, any Excursion Provider and any Supplier harmless against any and all such liabilities, claims, actions, damages, costs or expenses, including, but not limited to, all attorney"s fees and disbursements

When you sign your travel agreement, you release ABD from fault.

Everyone should read their Travel Agreement carefully and understand what it states.
 
I should add that all travel companies have a very similar liability release.

This is not specific to Disney or ABD.

If you look at your cruise documents that need to be signed prior to departure, you are signing a document releasing the cruise company from liability.

It's just standard travel company policy.
 
I'd like to have a look at your blog, Cinderella's Slipper 2015, if you don't mind sending one more link! I've been following this part of DISboards for a long time now and several ABD trips are on my bucket list but I'm always looking for other good options too :) I'm really sorry you were disappointed in ABD's service. I hope you manage to find another way to make your holidays magical, whether with DIY trips or by using another company.
 
I totally understand that they have to release themselves of any type of liability,but what I still have a hard time wrapping my head around is their unwillingness to turn down the music or to save specific snacks for someone who had an allergy they were aware of and could easily accommodate (ie, asking her first if she would like a non-dairy snack). To me, it is just courtesy. It sounds like Cinderella's slipper wasn't asking for it to be turned off (therefore ruining fun for others) simply turned down. And, again with the snacks. No, they can't always accommodate allergy issues,but they certainly can try, and it seems like they didn't do that. To me, those are pretty basic things they could have done.

I would never expect any tour group to cater to me,but if there are things they can easily do, I would expect them to at least try. That is kind of what they are supposed to be there for,right?
 
We had one seriously negative experience happen on an ABD. There wasn't anything we could do about it at the time, but when we returned home I made sure to forward my remarks to the person I thought needed to know - my travel agent. And within 24 hours, I was speaking on the phone with a representative of ABD who assured me that this wasn't the experience they wanted people to have. That one phone call renewed my faith in ABD (and generated my lifelong devotion to my travel agent), and my subsequent Adventure (previously booked before that happened) was a delight. I have since talked my other half into doing another Adventure, and we're very much looking forward to it. I really do enjoy ABD's way of doing things.

We did a trip with Tauck, and I would not recommend them for a variety of reasons UNLESS they have an itinerary which fits your needs/desires. They had places we wanted to visit, and my foreign languages are a disaster so I rely on a tour operator doing that work for me at hotels, tourist stops, etc. Now it wasn't a BAD trip. I got my money's worth, but I prefer the ABD approach more than I did theirs.

But as far as trip reports go, it's always good information to know that sometimes things do go wrong. And it's good to know that you're not the only person to have an adverse experience.
Can I ask why you do not recommend Tauck? We are looking at their South Africa trip because we like the itinerary better than ABD's.
 
Go Touch Down Travel and Tours is offering me a package and states that in all respects it is superior to Dinsey Adventure Packages to South Africa.

For example, the price is $8900 for some of the currently posted ABG South African tour for 9 days, it is $5500 for the non-discounted 7 day Cape Town or safari tour. There is no single supplement for the Go Touch Down Travel and Tours packages. GTD states that all tours have 6 people jeeps - while Disney has larger coach buses. GTD states that there is 1 driver/1 guide plus jeep holding 6 passengers; this ratio is less than the number of drivers/guides per passengers ratio for ABG tours. For GTD, all meals are included. For one o two GTD packages, there are 20 excursions; for the other tour there are 28 excursions.

The details are seen in this table:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpqbq86o4...sive Coupon 10-6-2016 - NEW-10-17-16.pdf?dl=0
 
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Go Touch Down Travel and Tours is offering me a package and states that in all respects it is superior to Dinsey Adventure Packages to South Africa. Please see the table in the link comparing these 2 companies' South African packages with 2 others? What do you think?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpqbq86o4...sive Coupon 10-6-2016 - NEW-10-17-16.pdf?dl=0
Well, I think it's really hard to tell from this comparison page. What kind of hotels do they stay at? What kind of activities do they include? Where do they go? How long do you stay in each place? You really have to compare the actual itineraries, not just their bullet points.

On ABD, you get *TWO* Guides, plus a bus driver, plus a local guide most places. It sounds like this other company has smaller groups, but you only get one Guide/bus driver. I don't find that superior or accurate.

It's 2 days shorter than the ABD, which partially accounts for the cost difference, but if you look at their "per day" calculations, they are not using the same calculations for both. $5535 divided by 8 days is $692 but $9609 divided by 10 days is only $961 per day, not the $1120 they list. And if you go with the least expensive rather than the most, it's $8309 divided by 10 days, which is $831 per day. Still more, but I don't respect them for already mis-representing the cost. I haven't even looked at ABD's site to see if the costs are accurate.

The points about travel within 6 months is a lie. I've booked my China ABD well over a year in advance. My Alaska trip was a year and a half in advance. Again, they're making stuff up. Not a good sign.

There aren't "Blackout Dates" with ABD. They only offer departures on certain dates. I'd like to know what they mean by "No blackout dates".

The No Single Supplement *is* a plus if you're traveling solo.

Personally, I think this table is a load of malarkey, and I'd have to see the actual itineraries to compare point-for-point.

They *might be* superior, but I sure don't get that impression from this table. I *would* conclude they participate in mis-leading advertising. Up to you if that's a turn-off or not.

Sayhello

ETA:
I looked at their website. This is what they say about "No blackout dates":

No blackouts

We do not block off holidays or high-demand travel periods. You can even combine your tours, no matter the time of year.
ABD does not block off holidays or high-demand travel periods. They have lots of Holiday trips and most of their trips run during high-demand travel periods. That's a nonsense claim on their part. If they are saying "we have no schedule, so you can schedule this trip any date you want" that's one thing. But that's not how ABD operates. They offer trips, and you find one on a date that works for you.
 
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Here is the link to their web site:

http://gotouchdown.com/

They have 2 main packages - including the safari package and the Capetown package. On the web site, you can get details of the itinerary and also of the lodgings for the 2 travel packages.

In terms of responses to your comments, they stated the following:

a) smaller means it is a more personalized tour - but usually (at least in the safari) it is an open jeep. ABD would have buses - advantage is climate control (whether summer or winter); disadvantage is that you feel you are farther from nature if you are sitting in an enclosed larger vehicle. If you only have 6 passengers to a jeep, then the staff/customer ratio may be higher in GTTT jeep compared to the ABD bus?
b) the agent say that although they are putting prices down in the table, you strictly can not compare them. It is like comparing apples and oranges. For Go Touchdown Travel and tours - ALL meals are covered (that is not true for ABG?). They state that in the one week, there are 28 different events (obviously, some of them may be the meals) that are being covered, rather than the 9 or 10 that are being covered by ABG.
c) although I am not at full liberty to give you details on an open forum, I do get significant discounts from what is mentioned in the table. At least 3 (and possibly 4) discounts - 1 promotional discount associated with a the travel show application I entered, a second one if I register soon, a third one if I pay all the money up front, and a fourth one for being a Canadian resident.
4. If one does not pay up front, then one can pay some deposit (I have to get the details on this), and then pay a monthly payment at 0% interest for up to 5 years. I can book the tour upto 5 years from now - with the locked current price and the locked current discounts, provided I pay at least a non-refundable deposit (I think it may be $1000 - but do not quote me on that).

The one thing they say is that they are so small, even though they are so good, that they are not aware of outside neutral reviews on their South Africa packages. Are you aware of such reviews or rankings for the ABG South African safari packages, or other non-safari South African packages?
 
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